Re: Informix in the press...
Starts as celebration of an IBM press release naming Informix, then shifts to a licensing/distribution gripe: why IDS downloads carry a 90-day time bomb while DB2 (Express) can be downloaded and run free in production. Participants trade conflicting accounts: Neil Truby says IBM pulled IIUG's non-expiring IDS downloads for consistency, Serge Rielau notes DB2 trials also count down 90 days, and Christine Normile explains IBM offered IIUG a non-timelimited IDS v10 but it wasn't posted because of IBM's download-registration requirement. Calls for a free IDS Express went unanswered — no resolution is recorded.
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Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! Jean Georges Perrin wrote: > Hi, > > You all want to see Informix in the press, so help IIUG achieving this goal by > sending the following information to me: > > Name of journalist, > e-mail, > name of newspaper. > > Thanks > > -- > jgp
eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: > Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: > > http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 > > A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! > Excellent! Now, how about taking the 90-day timeout feature out of the download for Informix. I'm excited about Informix, interested in the product, so I go to download it like DB2. I noticed DB2 does not have the 90-day timeout. I want the full download for Informix just like DB2, no timeout, same thing as if I bought it. Do I have the IIUG to thank for the 90-day timeout?
eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: > Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: > > http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 > > A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! Go Ron Flannery! Go Cindy Lichtenauer! Go IBM! Go Informix! Art S. Kagel
"Double Echo" <doubleecho@your.com> wrote in message news:YAgFg.13107$c8.3955@fe73.usenetserver.com... > eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: >> Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: >> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 >> >> A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! >> > > Excellent! > > Now, how about taking the 90-day timeout feature out of the download for > Informix. I'm excited about Informix, interested in the product, so I go > to download it like DB2. > > I noticed DB2 does not have the 90-day timeout. I want the full download > for Informix just like DB2, no timeout, same thing as if I bought it. Do > I have the IIUG to thank for the 90-day timeout? My understanding is the opposite: about a year ago the IIUG and IBM withdrew free downloads for IDS because they *didn't* have the 90-day bomb which is standard for products emenating from IBM. They understandably didn;t want to retro-fit the bomb to old realeases but did include it in later 9.40, and 10 developments and reinstated the trial versions. If you're saying that DB2 has had the bomb removed - that's news to me!
DB2 never had the bomb. IIUG still offers 9.3/9.4 on Linux / Windows. On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:20:50 +0100, Neil Truby wrote > "Double Echo" <doubleecho@your.com> wrote in message > news:YAgFg.13107$c8.3955@fe73.usenetserver.com... > > eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: > >> Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: > >> > >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 > >> > >> A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! > >> > > > > Excellent! > > > > Now, how about taking the 90-day timeout feature out of the download for > > Informix. I'm excited about Informix, interested in the product, so I go > > to download it like DB2. > > > > I noticed DB2 does not have the 90-day timeout. I want the full download > > for Informix just like DB2, no timeout, same thing as if I bought it. Do > > I have the IIUG to thank for the 90-day timeout? > > My understanding is the opposite: about a year ago the IIUG and IBM > withdrew free downloads for IDS because they *didn't* have the 90- > day bomb which is standard for products emenating from IBM. They > understandably didn;t want to retro-fit the bomb to old realeases > but did include it in later 9.40, and 10 developments and reinstated > the trial versions. > > If you're saying that DB2 has had the bomb removed - that's news to > me! > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list -- jgp
-- Neil Truby t:01932 724027 Director m:07798 811708 Ardenta Limited e:neil.truby@ardenta.com "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@iiug.org> wrote in message news:mailman.293.1155907752.20706.informix-list@iiug.org... > > DB2 never had the bomb. > > IIUG still offers 9.3/9.4 on Linux / Windows. > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:20:50 +0100, Neil Truby wrote >> "Double Echo" <doubleecho@your.com> wrote in message >> news:YAgFg.13107$c8.3955@fe73.usenetserver.com... >> > eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: >> >> Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: >> >> >> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 >> >> >> >> A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! >> >> >> > >> > Excellent! >> > >> > Now, how about taking the 90-day timeout feature out of the download >> > for >> > Informix. I'm excited about Informix, interested in the product, so I >> > go >> > to download it like DB2. >> > >> > I noticed DB2 does not have the 90-day timeout. I want the full >> > download >> > for Informix just like DB2, no timeout, same thing as if I bought it. >> > Do >> > I have the IIUG to thank for the 90-day timeout? >> >> My understanding is the opposite: about a year ago the IIUG and IBM >> withdrew free downloads for IDS because they *didn't* have the 90- >> day bomb which is standard for products emenating from IBM. They >> understandably didn;t want to retro-fit the bomb to old realeases >> but did include it in later 9.40, and 10 developments and reinstated >> the trial versions. >> >> If you're saying that DB2 has had the bomb removed - that's news to >> me! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Informix-list mailing list >> Informix-list@iiug.org >> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > > -- > jgp >
"Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@iiug.org> wrote in message news:mailman.293.1155907752.20706.informix-list@iiug.org... > > DB2 never had the bomb. Are you sure? The IDS trial download disappeared without explanation from IBM site, and Stuart Litel was asked to do the same for the ones on the IIUG site. When pressed the explanation was that they didn;t contain the 90-day bomb and was thus not consistent with DB2.
Neil Truby wrote: > "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@iiug.org> wrote in message > news:mailman.293.1155907752.20706.informix-list@iiug.org... >> DB2 never had the bomb. > > Are you sure? > The IDS trial download disappeared without explanation from IBM site, and > Stuart Litel was asked to do the same for the ones on the IIUG site. > When pressed the explanation was that they didn;t contain the 90-day bomb > and was thus not consistent with DB2. DB2 always had a message pop up every time you started DB2, counting the days down from 90. Now, no DB2 build I work with in the lab ever lasts 90 days, so I don't know whether DB2 simply stops working or just keeps nagging after 90 days. Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab IOD Conference http://www.ibm.com/software/data/ondemandbusiness/conf2006/
Serge, you are tempting fate with such statements :) On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:50:29 -0400, Serge Rielau wrote > Neil Truby wrote: > > "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@iiug.org> wrote in message > > news:mailman.293.1155907752.20706.informix-list@iiug.org... > >> DB2 never had the bomb. > > > > Are you sure? > > The IDS trial download disappeared without explanation from IBM site, and > > Stuart Litel was asked to do the same for the ones on the IIUG site. > > When pressed the explanation was that they didn;t contain the 90-day bomb > > and was thus not consistent with DB2. > DB2 always had a message pop up every time you started DB2, counting > the days down from 90. Now, no DB2 build I work with in the lab ever > lasts 90 days, so I don't know whether DB2 simply stops working or > just keeps nagging after 90 days. > > Cheers > Serge > -- > Serge Rielau > DB2 Solutions Development > IBM Toronto Lab > > IOD Conference > http://www.ibm.com/software/data/ondemandbusiness/conf2006/ > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list -- jgp
Jean Georges Perrin wrote: > Serge, you are tempting fate with such statements :) I know. I just "admitted" that my DB2 uptime is < 90 days ;-) But IDS wouldn't help me. My Windows uptime is so much shorter. Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab IOD Conference http://www.ibm.com/software/data/ondemandbusiness/conf2006/
The version of IDS v10 without the timeout was made available to the IIUG exclusively for IIUG members to download. IBM requires that individuals register when they want to download a product. Stuart Litel has refused to make the non-timelimited code available because of this IBM restriction (even though IBM was willing to provide the hosting service.) It's interesting that you say you have trial code for DB2 that is non- limited. Could you please provide the link where you obtained it? On Aug 18, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Double Echo wrote: > eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: >> Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: >> >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 >> >> A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! >> > > Excellent! > > Now, how about taking the 90-day timeout feature out of the > download for > Informix. I'm excited about Informix, interested in the product, > so I go > to download it like DB2. > > I noticed DB2 does not have the 90-day timeout. I want the full > download > for Informix just like DB2, no timeout, same thing as if I bought > it. Do > I have the IIUG to thank for the 90-day timeout? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list Christine Normile Analyst INFORMRme Magazine 1.800.914.8674 Ext. 713 1.210.438.7736 mobile christine@MyINFORM-me.com
Are you kidding me! http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2express/ DUH! It's free to download and run in production! This was my complaint at the Tampa conference, why does IBM let you download and run DB2 in production but not IDS! IDS Express needs to be offered as a free download just like DB2 express. You work for IBM? WTF! Christine Normile wrote: > The version of IDS v10 without the timeout was made available to the > IIUG exclusively for IIUG members to download. IBM requires that > individuals register when they want to download a product. Stuart > Litel has refused to make the non-timelimited code available because > of this IBM restriction (even though IBM was willing to provide the > hosting service.) > > It's interesting that you say you have trial code for DB2 that is non- > limited. Could you please provide the link where you obtained it? > > On Aug 18, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Double Echo wrote: > > > eric@herber-consulting.de wrote: > >> Sometimes wonders take a little bit longer: > >> > >> http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=154242 > >> > >> A press release from IBM mentioning Informix. Great !! > >> > > > > Excellent! > > > > Now, how about taking the 90-day timeout feature out of the > > download for > > Informix. I'm excited about Informix, interested in the product, > > so I go > > to download it like DB2. > > > > I noticed DB2 does not have the 90-day timeout. I want the full > > download > > for Informix just like DB2, no timeout, same thing as if I bought > > it. Do > > I have the IIUG to thank for the 90-day timeout? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Informix-list mailing list > > Informix-list@iiug.org > > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > Christine Normile > Analyst > INFORMRme Magazine > 1.800.914.8674 Ext. 713 > 1.210.438.7736 mobile > christine@MyINFORM-me.com > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1--632916718 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-Google-AttachSize: 7864 > > <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = > -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">The version of IDS v10 without = > the timeout was made available to the IIUG exclusively for IIUG members = > to download.=A0 IBM requires that individuals register when they want to = > download a product.=A0 Stuart Litel has refused to make the = > non-timelimited code available because of this IBM restriction (even = > though IBM was willing to provide the hosting service.)<DIV><BR = > class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It's interesting that you = > say you have trial code for DB2 that is non-limited.=A0 Could you please = > provide the link where you obtained it?=A0=A0</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On = > Aug 18, 2006, at 5:25 AM, Double Echo wrote:</DIV><BR = > class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = > style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = > margin-left: 0px; "><A = > href=3D"mailto:eric@herber-consulting.de">eric@herber-consulting.de</A> = > wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = > margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sometimes = > wonders take a little bit longer:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = > margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = > 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = > margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A = > href=3D"http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=3D154242">= > http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=3D154242</A></DIV>= > <DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = > margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = > 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A press = > release from IBM mentioning Informix. 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"Roy Mercer" <roy.mercer@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1155916307.126854.287570@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Are you kidding me! > > http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2express/ DUH! > > It's free to download and run in production! > This was my complaint at the Tampa conference, why does IBM let you > download and run DB2 in production but not IDS! > > IDS Express needs to be offered as a free download just like DB2 > express. > > You work for IBM? WTF! > Christine Normile wrote: Please show a little respect. She doesn't have to contribute at all. And if I were her, given the abuse, I wouldn't bother. And then we'd be all be less informed ....
Christine Normile wrote: > The version of IDS v10 without the timeout was made available to the > IIUG exclusively for IIUG members to download. IBM requires that > individuals register when they want to download a product. Stuart Litel > has refused to make the non-timelimited code available because of this > IBM restriction (even though IBM was willing to provide the hosting > service.) > So that's just the IIUG's deal. They can do what they like. For what it's worth I don't understand what user privacy has to do with a timebomb in the software but ok. I seem to recall that the IIUG version also was crippled in the number of connections or some other deliberate crippling. But it really doesn't matter, I want the real deal not some crippled crap. Hell I can get production ready databases for DB2, Sybase, Oracle, MySQL, there's no reason I should be using Informix if it's not the real deal. Who cares what the IIUG did, what is IBM going to do? > It's interesting that you say you have trial code for DB2 that is > non-limited. Could you please provide the link where you obtained it? > I got it off of IBM a year ago or so, never timed out. Can still use it today no problem. Got it for Windows and Linux, no timebombs.
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:50:29 -0400, Serge Rielau <srielau@ca.ibm.com> wrote: >Neil Truby wrote: >> "Jean Georges Perrin" <jgp@iiug.org> wrote in message >> news:mailman.293.1155907752.20706.informix-list@iiug.org... >>> DB2 never had the bomb. >> >> Are you sure? >> The IDS trial download disappeared without explanation from IBM site, and >> Stuart Litel was asked to do the same for the ones on the IIUG site. >> When pressed the explanation was that they didn;t contain the 90-day bomb >> and was thus not consistent with DB2. >DB2 always had a message pop up every time you started DB2, counting the >days down from 90. Now, no DB2 build I work with in the lab ever lasts >90 days, so I don't know whether DB2 simply stops working or just keeps >nagging after 90 days. . . . did I read this right? Nah, too easy . . . .. 8-) JWC