Re: Just to show I care
Not a technical help thread — it's off-topic banter sparked by YouTube links about an Oracle install. Participants quibble over terminology (a DBMS is installed, a database is created), question why someone spent a month on an "advanced" install that should take under 20 minutes, and trade jabs. Fernando Nunes complains that an Oracle 10gR2 client install left files readable only by the oracle user, fixed by a patch that was essentially a chmod; DA Morgan dismisses this as DBA inexperience. No real problem or resolution is recorded.
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DA Morgan wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzV4LZnvHc > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNW-7jCBWsw Since Captn seems to ignore this thread I feel thr need to point out: Databases don't get installed, they get created. DBMS get installed. Seriously: If he designed the settings for a month himself, why oh why did he outsource the typing to IBM? Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab
Serge Rielau said: > DA Morgan wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzV4LZnvHc >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNW-7jCBWsw > Since Captn seems to ignore this thread I feel thr need to point out: > Databases don't get installed, they get created. DBMS get installed. > > Seriously: > If he designed the settings for a month himself, why oh why did he > outsource the typing to IBM? I'm a bit confused, too. Was he installing the product (as in "off the media") or just creating databases? If he was just creating databases ... that's hardly a freaking advert for Oracle! And WTF was he spending a month on? Danish porn sites? -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent."
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Serge Rielau said: >> DA Morgan wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzV4LZnvHc >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNW-7jCBWsw >> Since Captn seems to ignore this thread I feel thr need to point out: >> Databases don't get installed, they get created. DBMS get installed. >> >> Seriously: >> If he designed the settings for a month himself, why oh why did he >> outsource the typing to IBM? > > I'm a bit confused, too. Was he installing the product (as in "off the > media") or just creating databases? If he was just creating databases ... > that's hardly a freaking advert for Oracle! > > And WTF was he spending a month on? Danish porn sites? Installing the full product using the advanced install feature. And I might point out on an extremely slow laptop. I would normally expect the full installation to take less than 20 minutes. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Serge Rielau said: >>> DA Morgan wrote: >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzV4LZnvHc >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNW-7jCBWsw >>> Since Captn seems to ignore this thread I feel thr need to point out: >>> Databases don't get installed, they get created. DBMS get installed. >>> >>> Seriously: >>> If he designed the settings for a month himself, why oh why did he >>> outsource the typing to IBM? >> >> I'm a bit confused, too. Was he installing the product (as in "off the >> media") or just creating databases? If he was just creating databases ... >> that's hardly a freaking advert for Oracle! >> >> And WTF was he spending a month on? Danish porn sites? > > Installing the full product using the advanced install feature. > And I might point out on an extremely slow laptop. I would normally > expect the full installation to take less than 20 minutes. Excluding the patches... In a recent Oracle Client 10gR2 installation the install part was as quick as useless... No one could access the files (libraries needed for runtime for example) because the FS permissions would only allow the Oracle user to access them... Then there was a patch... nice... but the patch needed a tool to apply the patch... Luckily the DBA got tired of it, extracted the SHELL script (the only useful thing in the patch) and checked the contents... nothing more than a "chmod"... GREAT install experience... totally SUCKs compliant (ups... SOX) Regards. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
Fernando Nunes wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: >> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>> Serge Rielau said: >>>> DA Morgan wrote: >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzV4LZnvHc >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNW-7jCBWsw >>>> Since Captn seems to ignore this thread I feel thr need to point out: >>>> Databases don't get installed, they get created. DBMS get installed. >>>> >>>> Seriously: >>>> If he designed the settings for a month himself, why oh why did he >>>> outsource the typing to IBM? >>> >>> I'm a bit confused, too. Was he installing the product (as in "off the >>> media") or just creating databases? If he was just creating databases >>> ... >>> that's hardly a freaking advert for Oracle! >>> >>> And WTF was he spending a month on? Danish porn sites? >> >> Installing the full product using the advanced install feature. >> And I might point out on an extremely slow laptop. I would normally >> expect the full installation to take less than 20 minutes. > > Excluding the patches... > In a recent Oracle Client 10gR2 installation the install part was as > quick as useless... No one could access the files (libraries needed for > runtime for example) because the FS permissions would only allow the > Oracle user to access them... Then there was a patch... nice... but the > patch needed a tool to apply the patch... Luckily the DBA got tired of > it, extracted the SHELL script (the only useful thing in the patch) and > checked the contents... nothing more than a "chmod"... GREAT install > experience... totally SUCKs compliant (ups... SOX) > > Regards. Get a new DBA. The "tool" has been built into the base install since at least the 1980s. Even my first quarter students know how to use it. One thing that always truly amazes me is how people say "well our DBA blah blah blah ..." like the fact that they know and work with this person somehow instills the person with a seat in the House of Lords. You are, based on your description, working with a dinosaur who has not a clue about anything current within the current millenium. Same for your SOX related comments. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > > Same for your SOX related comments. > Yeah? Well, your sox need a wash! :op