Re: Informix Positive Post #2
InDeep wrote: > IBM is a multi-billion dollar company with dipshits running the Informix > marketing, probably because opportunistic legacy Informix twits told IBM > don't worry, it'll all be ok, we'll take care of the marketing. IBM did not become the large and impressive organization it is through incompetence. Why is it so hard to accept that IBM might be following a well planned strategy? ... and be executing it without distraction. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > InDeep wrote: > >> IBM is a multi-billion dollar company with dipshits running the Informix >> marketing, probably because opportunistic legacy Informix twits told IBM >> don't worry, it'll all be ok, we'll take care of the marketing. > > IBM did not become the large and impressive organization it is through > incompetence. Why is it so hard to accept that IBM might be following > a well planned strategy? ... and be executing it without distraction. Because history has proven otherwise. It is clearly, intuitively obvious that if IBM were actually following a strategy it would be articulated in various forms of media and marketing. There is little to nothing being done, clearly evident that they don't have a clue. There is no developer momentum, or any reason to choose Informix, because there is nothing being done to market it other that to customers and people who already know about it. Outside the base, it is completely unknown. Postgres and other open source products are more well known than Informix, and they have almost no budget at all. What does that tell you?????
"InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message news:e6VGj.3$3%1.2@fe30.usenetserver.com... > DA Morgan wrote: >> InDeep wrote: >> >>> IBM is a multi-billion dollar company with dipshits running the Informix >>> marketing, probably because opportunistic legacy Informix twits told IBM >>> don't worry, it'll all be ok, we'll take care of the marketing. >> >> IBM did not become the large and impressive organization it is through >> incompetence. Why is it so hard to accept that IBM might be following >> a well planned strategy? ... and be executing it without distraction. > > Because history has proven otherwise. It is clearly, intuitively obvious > that if IBM were actually following a strategy it would be articulated in > various forms of media and marketing. There is little to nothing being > done, clearly evident that they don't have a clue. There is no developer > momentum, or any reason to choose Informix, because there is nothing being > done to market it other that to customers and people who already know > about it. Outside the base, it is completely unknown. Postgres and other > open source products are more well known than Informix, and they have > almost no budget at all. What does that tell you????? Er, I think you're missing his point which is, as I understand it, that IBM's strategy is to invest the absolute minimum promotion in Informix consistent with keeping the existing user base producing revenue, but not to promote it to a wider audience. And his question is, why can't we accept that, if that is the strategy, then far from being fuckwits, the people in charge at IBM are actually executing it pretty effectively?
Captain Pedantic wrote: > "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message > news:e6VGj.3$3%1.2@fe30.usenetserver.com... >> DA Morgan wrote: >>> InDeep wrote: >>> >>>> IBM is a multi-billion dollar company with dipshits running the Informix >>>> marketing, probably because opportunistic legacy Informix twits told IBM >>>> don't worry, it'll all be ok, we'll take care of the marketing. >>> IBM did not become the large and impressive organization it is through >>> incompetence. Why is it so hard to accept that IBM might be following >>> a well planned strategy? ... and be executing it without distraction. >> Because history has proven otherwise. It is clearly, intuitively obvious >> that if IBM were actually following a strategy it would be articulated in >> various forms of media and marketing. There is little to nothing being >> done, clearly evident that they don't have a clue. There is no developer >> momentum, or any reason to choose Informix, because there is nothing being >> done to market it other that to customers and people who already know >> about it. Outside the base, it is completely unknown. Postgres and other >> open source products are more well known than Informix, and they have >> almost no budget at all. What does that tell you????? > > Er, I think you're missing his point which is, as I understand it, that > IBM's strategy is to invest the absolute minimum promotion in Informix > consistent with keeping the existing user base producing revenue, but not to > promote it to a wider audience. And his question is, why can't we accept > that, if that is the strategy, then far from being fuckwits, the people in > charge at IBM are actually executing it pretty effectively? > > Assumptions being what they are I prefer to think that if it walks like a duck, makes quacking sounds like a duck, then it must be a duck. I shouldn't have to prod IBM for anything. They promote what they like and don't give a rats ass about anyone or anything. It seems pretty odd that they would sit on Informix if they have some kind of 'strategy', and certainly wouldn't let it die unless it were complete shyte. We know that it is a good product and has a strong possibility to be in the leader space, but that's not going to happen because IBM wants to sit on it, and make noise only where they need to, which is here and for people that already know about it. A developer program needs to be marketed, and to this date I do not see one. A few web pages of bland nothing is all that really exists, along with a few occasional changes to the section where IBM decided to mothball the product. If I were running it you would not see this kind of inattention, that is for sure. -ID-
> From: indeep@indeep.com> Subject: Re: Informix Positive Post #2> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:53:02 -0700> To: informix-list@iiug.org> > > A developer program needs to be marketed, and to this date I do not see one.> A few web pages of bland nothing is all that really exists, along with a few> occasional changes to the section where IBM decided to mothball the product.> If I were running it you would not see this kind of inattention, that is for> sure.> > -ID- I have to disagree. There is a developers program and its run at the software group level. IDS is treated no differently than Websphere and DB2. Is it well publicized? No. Its not to say that IBM is incompetent, just that well, developers programs aren't high on their lists. Remember, IBM makes their money from their core accounts. A developers program is important. I do agree with you on that. But its only one piece of the puzzle. I think that you have to look at the bigger picture. A developers program is only part of the issue. What about the education outside of the program? I mean how many IBM Press books are on the shelves in Borders or on Amazon? Now how many DB2 or Informix books are published by other publishers outside of IBM? Now how many Oracle related books? So there's more to this than just a simple developers program. _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A