Re: flagship sunk
This is not a technical support thread but a cross-posted flame/opinion exchange about Oracle versus Informix. Participants argue over whether TPC benchmarks mean anything (one poster calls them worthless marketing fodder), whether Oracle's TimesTen acquisition will transform transaction benchmark numbers, and whether Oracle's commercial success reflects product quality, with jabs about Microsoft, Rolls-Royces and Paris Hilton. No technical problem is posed and no resolution is recorded; the thread simply ends with the Oracle advocate agreeing to drop the subject in the Informix group.
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John Carlson wrote: >>>You for 4) ... the snake oil salesman made a huge blunder putting >>>himself in legal jeopardy. If you think TimesTen is valueless ... >>>you should see the transaction benchmarks. If Oracle does what I >>>expect it will do ... TPC benchark values will change by more than >>>an order of magnitude. >> >>Vaporware until we see it on www.tpc.org. >> > > > So TPC benchmarks are important? I've been saying that for a while > now . . . > > JWC As an adult professional I think they are worthless and irrelevant. As a marketing ploy for the child-like behaviour of some management obviously they work or no one would spend money on them. The fact that Paris Hilton makes money as an actress doesn't mean she is talented. -- Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan said: > > The fact that Paris Hilton makes money as an actress doesn't mean she > is talented. The fact that Oracle makes money as a database vendor, doesn't mean it's any good. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila, relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit controversial among modellers. --r937, dbforums.com
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > DA Morgan said: > >>The fact that Paris Hilton makes money as an actress doesn't mean she >>is talented. > > > The fact that Oracle makes money as a database vendor, doesn't mean it's > any good. Absolutely. There are plenty of people making huge sums of money selling garbage. Though pointing to Microsoft would have better made your case. The quantity of sales is never a measure of quality ... want a cheap Rolls or Bentley? ... but it is equally true that Oracle making money could very well be related to the fact that their product is excellent. -- Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan said: > > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> DA Morgan said: >> >>>The fact that Paris Hilton makes money as an actress doesn't mean she >>>is talented. >> >> The fact that Oracle makes money as a database vendor, doesn't mean it's >> any good. > > Absolutely. There are plenty of people making huge sums of money selling > garbage. Though pointing to Microsoft would have better made your case. > The quantity of sales is never a measure of quality ... want a cheap > Rolls or Bentley? Actually, it's very easy to buy a Rolls or a Bentley on the cheap. And it's not entirely true that they are the byword for quality that you might think either. > ... but it is equally true that Oracle making money > could very well be related to the fact that their product is excellent. Oh, look: a flying pig. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child record and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into the parent table with the primary key value (everything else null), and voila, relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit controversial among modellers. --r937, dbforums.com
DA Morgan wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >> DA Morgan said: >> >>> The fact that Paris Hilton makes money as an actress doesn't mean she >>> is talented. >> >> >> >> The fact that Oracle makes money as a database vendor, doesn't mean it's >> any good. > > > Absolutely. There are plenty of people making huge sums of money selling > garbage. Though pointing to Microsoft would have better made your case. > The quantity of sales is never a measure of quality ... want a cheap > Rolls or Bentley? ... but it is equally true that Oracle making money > could very well be related to the fact that their product is excellent. You could almost hear the slams coming your way couldn't you! 8-) Oracle has excellent marketing but I think you create a whole new set of opinions on the 'excellence' of their software. Maybe the real product is the marketing...
Double Echo wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: > >> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> >>> DA Morgan said: >>> >>>> The fact that Paris Hilton makes money as an actress doesn't mean she >>>> is talented. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The fact that Oracle makes money as a database vendor, doesn't mean it's >>> any good. >> >> >> >> Absolutely. There are plenty of people making huge sums of money selling >> garbage. Though pointing to Microsoft would have better made your case. >> The quantity of sales is never a measure of quality ... want a cheap >> Rolls or Bentley? ... but it is equally true that Oracle making money >> could very well be related to the fact that their product is excellent. > > > You could almost hear the slams coming your way couldn't you! > > 8-) > > Oracle has excellent marketing but I think you create a whole new set > of opinions on the 'excellence' of their software. Maybe the real product > is the marketing... I didn't mention the product and wouldn't have had Obnoxio not opened the door and invited me in. But the dismissing of Oracle due to quality, while well deserved in versions 7 and 8.0, really got a bit jaded with 8.1.7 and with 9.2 and above is more an indication of having no clue about the current state of the product line than anything else. And with that I will not comment again about Oracle in the Informix group unless Obnoxio, or some other lovely soul, wishes to again provide an invitation to do so. -- Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)