RE: Eclipse Data Tools Project

> >Mike, if it was that easy I guess Zachi or me could have done it ;-). > I thought he did. That's why its a dead issue. ;-) >NetBeans -- what's that? The pale imitation of Eclipse done by Sun? > Jean, you don't get out much, do you? :-P Each Java IDE has its own personality. While you're in the Eclipse camp, I work with both Eclipse and Net Beans. If you look at Eclipse, you also have IBM's RAD 6.0 which is a *commercial* release of Eclipse which takes away some of the pain that you are having with configuring Eclipse. Also Eclipse offers some free and some *commercial* plug ins in to its framework. Some have value, some don't. (Note: The jury is still out on Rational's Data Architect. ;-) What I do like about NetBeans is the ease of building forms for Swing applications and its layout manager. The look and feel is a bit more polished out of the box than native eclipse. Also when I started to choose a debugger way back when, net beans seemed more stable. Choosing an IDE is an individual's preference. The only drawback is when you choose to use a "proprietary" framework. (One that's in one IDE but not another.) Its like asking a professional photographer which is better? A Nikon, Pentax, or Cannon ? >The Data Tools within Eclipse are a little weirdo to configure and I am >pretty sure they have a great way to build the connection URL which is not >compatible with Informix. It might not be a lot of work, but they do not >provide much debugging information besides the exception stack. > Then Eclipse isn't such a hot tool. ;-) When working with the Java IDE, are you having issues with the data tools or are you having issues finding your JDBC driver and then building the JDBC connection within your application? Or are you trying to use a plug in to view the database and its structures? (These are two different tasks ...) With respect to debugging a URL, if you're having trouble with that... well then... have you tried "update statistics" ? ;-) (Seriously, you should be able to figure it out without any hassles. Just System.out.println(myURL); If you're not using the debugger. >Java is my friend and has been for quite some years now ;-). > > >Which reminds me... during IDUG 2007, I will have a half day hands-on >seminar on Java, how to build your first app, etc. Heavily using Eclipse, >IDS (probably Cheetah, I cant use something else) and Java 6. > LOL... Now that's a scary thought. Oh well, I guess then its true what they say. ("Those that can't do, teach. ;-) >I'll also speak of EJB 3, XML, etc. But I will not be the only one speaking >of Java at the conference. > Thank god for that. ;-) (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Ok, enough of the jokes. Lets get serious for a moment. Even though IBM did turn over the base code to the open source community (Eclipse.org), they still have a lot of influence and they are still writing a lot of code and plugins in support of their Rational branded products. The fact that Eclipse doesn't support Informix out of the box is a troubling issue. Granted IBM SWG IM doesn't manage Eclipse, there should be some communication over the hedges and somehow, somewhere IBM should take this issue on. (HINT TO IBM: THIS ISSUE IS A "GLUE ISSUE" when it comes to the concept of the "BLUE STACK".) If management at IBM doesn't grok that fact, then they shouldn't be in management. ;-) But hey! What do I know? I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet.... _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > >Mike, if it was that easy I guess Zachi or me could have done it ;-). > > > > I thought he did. That's why its a dead issue. ;-) Jean asked me about it a few weeks ago, and I'm surprised that my answer didn't reach him. Indeed, I did, as Eclipse added an Informix connection type in a later version, which works - but in a rather limited fashion (only plain, non-Informix specific commands are supported). Therefore, although I use Eclipse to write code and manage it, I still use ServerStudio (6 beta, which has its own set of minor issues - but they are minor, and it is beta) to run it and to look at the databases. > > >NetBeans -- what's that? The pale imitation of Eclipse done by Sun? > > I worked with NetBeans a few years ago. It was horribly slow, and I gave it up. Maybe today it is better, I don't know. > > What I do like about NetBeans is the ease of building forms for Swing > applications and its layout manager. The look and feel is a bit more > polished out of the box than native eclipse. Also when I started to choose a > debugger way back when, net beans seemed more stable. Eclipse has a GUI builder as well now, although still preliminary. I used it for a couple of simple applications only, though. > Choosing an IDE is an individual's preference. The only drawback is when you > choose to use a "proprietary" framework. (One that's in one IDE but not > another.) Its like asking a professional photographer which is better? A > Nikon, Pentax, or Cannon ? I have never met a pro photographer who used Pentax, but I have met quite a few who used Leica. And don't forget Sony, which took over Minolta! (but this is an issue for different usenet groups :-) > > >The Data Tools within Eclipse are a little weirdo to configure and I am > >pretty sure they have a great way to build the connection URL which is not > >compatible with Informix. It might not be a lot of work, but they do not > >provide much debugging information besides the exception stack. > > Would it help if I posted the way I set up connections? > > Then Eclipse isn't such a hot tool. ;-) > It is not a tool, it is an environment, and it gets hotter all the time. It may finally bring a set of tools to rival MS .net . > When working with the Java IDE, are you having issues with the data tools or > are you having issues finding your JDBC driver and then building the JDBC > connection within your application? > Or are you trying to use a plug in to view the database and its structures? > (These are two different tasks ...) There is a plug-in (whose name escapes me at the moment) that can connect to Informix database and create a schema, although I believe it is still stuck in version 9.3 . The Eclipse isn't smart enough (and I doubt any tool is) to actually parse SQL strings within Java code (or better yet - the debugger) to check for syntax errors there, so don't raise your hopes too high. > The fact that Eclipse doesn't support Informix out of the box is a troubling > issue. Granted IBM SWG IM doesn't manage Eclipse, there should be some > communication over the hedges and somehow, somewhere IBM should take this > issue on. As stated, Eclipse is still not Informix-aware. Given that IBM and Sybase people are basically working on it, I guess it is only a matter of time. In fact, I'm planning to meet with the project had (who works for Sybase and is based in the Boston area) to see how I can make DTP more Informix aware. Happy New Tax Year, Zachi

> -----Original Message----- > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list- > bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Zachi > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 15:02 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Eclipse Data Tools Project > ... > > > > > >The Data Tools within Eclipse are a little weirdo to configure and I am > > >pretty sure they have a great way to build the connection URL which is > not > > >compatible with Informix. It might not be a lot of work, but they do > not > > >provide much debugging information besides the exception stack. > > > > > Would it help if I posted the way I set up connections? > Please do! > > Happy New Tax Year, > Thanks! You too and to all the readers as well ;-) > Zachi > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list