Holiday Greetings
Not a technical thread at all. Art Kagel posted a generic season's greetings to the Informix community, and the replies turned into a debate over why he wrote "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" — touching on his being Jewish, the meaning of "Christ", and complaints from a previous year about leaving out other faiths. There are a couple of joking jabs comparing Informix and Oracle features (row-level locking, online backups), but no actual problem is raised and no technical resolution is recorded. Safe to skip.
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To the entire Informix community: Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just enjoy the weather! ;-) And to all: A good year! Art -- Art S. Kagel Oninit (www.oninit.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
Art Kagel wrote: > To the entire Informix community: > > Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. > > If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just > enjoy the weather! ;-) > > And to all: A good year! > > Art > Happy Holidays Art! *<8o)
"InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... > > Art Kagel wrote: >> To the entire Informix community: >> >> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. If >> you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just >> enjoy the weather! ;-) >> >> And to all: A good year! >> >> Art >> > Happy Holidays Art! For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? Are there some politically-correct sensibilities to be stepped around here? Happy Christmas, everyone!
Captain Pedantic wrote: > "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message > news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >> Art Kagel wrote: >>> To the entire Informix community: >>> >>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. If >>> you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just >>> enjoy the weather! ;-) >>> >>> And to all: A good year! >>> >>> Art >>> >> Happy Holidays Art! > > For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. No, really! :o) -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
On 25 Dec, 00:46, "Art Kagel" <art.ka...@gmail.com> wrote: > To the entire Informix community: > > Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. > > If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just > enjoy the weather! ;-) > > And to all: A good year! > > Art > > -- > Art S. Kagel > Oninit (www.oninit.com) > IIUG Board of Directors (a...@iiug.org) > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and > do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization > with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do > those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity > with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. Bah Humbug, some of us have just finished work... PS If you are ever in London look me up..
"Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... > Captain Pedantic wrote: >> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message >> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >>> Art Kagel wrote: >>>> To the entire Informix community: >>>> >>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. If >>>> you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just >>>> enjoy the weather! ;-) >>>> >>>> And to all: A good year! >>>> >>>> Art >>>> >>> Happy Holidays Art! >> >> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? > > I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. :-) I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas though. Does it ...?
Captain Pedantic wrote: > "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message > news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... >> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message >>> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >>>> Art Kagel wrote: >>>>> To the entire Informix community: >>>>> >>>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. If >>>>> you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then just >>>>> enjoy the weather! ;-) >>>>> >>>>> And to all: A good year! >>>>> >>>>> Art >>>>> >>>> Happy Holidays Art! >>> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? >> I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. > > :-) > I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas though. > Does it ...? If you're a Jew, how can you believe in the Christ? And therefore it is hypocritical to wish someone Merry Christ-mas. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Captain Pedantic wrote: >> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >> news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... >>> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>>> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >>>>> Art Kagel wrote: >>>>>> To the entire Informix community: >>>>>> >>>>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you >>>>>> celebrate. If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of >>>>>> year, then just enjoy the weather! ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> And to all: A good year! >>>>>> >>>>>> Art >>>>>> >>>>> Happy Holidays Art! >>>> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? >>> I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. >> >> :-) >> I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas >> though. >> Does it ...? > > If you're a Jew, how can you believe in the Christ? And therefore it is > hypocritical to wish someone Merry Christ-mas. Working hard to earn your self-anointed title eh. Last time I checked ... Jesus Christ was a Jew. By your definition, he too, couldn't say Merry Christmas. Whereas, it appears, someone whose primary means of communication is schoolyard obscenity can. What a world. -- Daniel A. Morgan
DA Morgan wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >>> news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... >>>> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>>>> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >>>>>> Art Kagel wrote: >>>>>>> To the entire Informix community: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you >>>>>>> celebrate. If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of >>>>>>> year, then just enjoy the weather! ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And to all: A good year! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Art >>>>>>> >>>>>> Happy Holidays Art! >>>>> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? >>>> I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. >>> :-) >>> I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas >>> though. >>> Does it ...? >> If you're a Jew, how can you believe in the Christ? And therefore it is >> hypocritical to wish someone Merry Christ-mas. > > Working hard to earn your self-anointed title eh. > > Last time I checked ... Jesus Christ was a Jew. By your definition, he > too, couldn't say Merry Christmas. Whereas, it appears, someone whose > primary means of communication is schoolyard obscenity can. What a world. Art has principles, what can I say? The thing is, being "the Christ" has a very specific meaning and since a (serious) Jew doesn't believe "the Christ" has come yet, a Jew can't wish someone "Merry Christ-mas". I, on the other hand, have no problem calling you a pompous cunt. It's well within *my* religion. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
First: If the man existed (and that's not to say that I believe that he did not) Yehoshua son of Yoseph and Miryam was not a king, nor did anyone crown him ('cristos' is Greek for crowned), and I do not believe that he was the messiah. So, no I would not use the name "Christ" when referring to the "man of Galilee", though I will usually allow that using the Latin version of his name is OK with me. Neither do I normally use the word Christmas preferring rather to use Xmas. As far as why I did not just wish those who celebrate it "Merry Christmas"... I did so last year. Wishing everyone a Merry Xmas and/or Happy Chanukah. The result of that was a three day discussion on this list about my having left out Kwanza and besides that having insulted the worlds Atheists, Budhists, Moslems, Hindus, Seiks, etc. I guess, to paraphrase Lincoln, you can't please all the people all the time. I tried. Get over it. FYI Daniel, I am ABSOLUTELY positive that Jesus of Nasaruth NEVER said Merry Christmas either! Art On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM, DA Morgan <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > > Captain Pedantic wrote: > >> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message > >> news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... > >>> Captain Pedantic wrote: > >>>> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message > >>>> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... > >>>>> Art Kagel wrote: > >>>>>> To the entire Informix community: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you > >>>>>> celebrate. If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of > >>>>>> year, then just enjoy the weather! ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And to all: A good year! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Art > >>>>>> > >>>>> Happy Holidays Art! > >>>> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? > >>> I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. > >> > >> :-) > >> I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas > >> though. > >> Does it ...? > > > > If you're a Jew, how can you believe in the Christ? And therefore it is > > hypocritical to wish someone Merry Christ-mas. > > Working hard to earn your self-anointed title eh. > > Last time I checked ... Jesus Christ was a Jew. By your definition, he > too, couldn't say Merry Christmas. Whereas, it appears, someone whose > primary means of communication is schoolyard obscenity can. What a world. > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > -- Art S. Kagel Oninit (www.oninit.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Oninit, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly or implicitly. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves.
"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message news:1230319644.910491@bubbleator.drizzle.com... > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >>> news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... >>>> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>>>> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >>>>>> Art Kagel wrote: >>>>>>> To the entire Informix community: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. >>>>>>> If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then >>>>>>> just enjoy the weather! ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And to all: A good year! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Art >>>>>>> >>>>>> Happy Holidays Art! >>>>> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? >>>> I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. >>> >>> :-) >>> I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas >>> though. >>> Does it ...? >> >> If you're a Jew, how can you believe in the Christ? And therefore it is >> hypocritical to wish someone Merry Christ-mas. > > Working hard to earn your self-anointed title eh. > > Last time I checked ... Jesus Christ was a Jew. By your definition, he > too, couldn't say Merry Christmas. He could have if He had used the Informix "Merry Christmas" datablade, whereas Oracle doesn't even have row-level locking or online backups yet ...
"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message news:1230319644.910491@bubbleator.drizzle.com... > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>> "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message >>> news:mailman.83.1230204817.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... >>>> Captain Pedantic wrote: >>>>> "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >>>>>> Art Kagel wrote: >>>>>>> To the entire Informix community: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. >>>>>>> If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then >>>>>>> just enjoy the weather! ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And to all: A good year! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Art >>>>>>> >>>>>> Happy Holidays Art! >>>>> For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? >>>> I know he hides it well, but Art is actually Jewish. >>> >>> :-) >>> I'm sure that doesn't stop someone wishing others a Merry Christmas >>> though. >>> Does it ...? >> >> If you're a Jew, how can you believe in the Christ? And therefore it is >> hypocritical to wish someone Merry Christ-mas. > > Working hard to earn your self-anointed title eh. > > Last time I checked ... Jesus Christ was a Jew ... Really? Why does he have a Spanish name then?
Captain Pedantic wrote: > "InDeep" <indeep@indeep.com> wrote in message > news:4952ef34$0$5678$6c36adad@news.usenetserver.com... >> >> Art Kagel wrote: >>> To the entire Informix community: >>> >>> Happiest of holidays to you all, whatever and however you celebrate. >>> If you don't celebrate any special holiday this time of year, then >>> just enjoy the weather! ;-) >>> >>> And to all: A good year! >>> >>> Art >>> >> Happy Holidays Art! > > For my own interest's sake, why not simply, "Happy Christmas"? > Are there some politically-correct sensibilities to be stepped around here? > > Happy Christmas, everyone! Season's greetings to you all. And no, CP, that's not politically correctness, it's traditional Yorkshire usage. But culturally neutral all the same. -- Ian Hotmail is for spammers. Real mail address is igoddard at nildram co uk
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > The thing is, being "the Christ" has a very specific meaning and since a > (serious) Jew doesn't believe "the Christ" has come yet, a Jew can't > wish someone "Merry Christ-mas". So if it isn't your birthday you can't say "Happy Birthday" either I presume. Now that you've excluded 67% of the people on the planet from saying those words. Next, no doubt, you should start a discussion of which denominations are "REAL" Christians and can say the two words and which are not. You cast the first stone so it seems only fair to let you cast the second and the third. -- Daniel A. Morgan
Art Kagel wrote: > FYI Daniel, I am ABSOLUTELY positive that Jesus of Nasaruth NEVER said > Merry Christmas either! I am too. But if one is a believer then one must believe he will return. And then we will get to see OTC denounce him for saying "Merry Christmas." Seeing that might make me a beliver. <g> -- Daniel A. Morgan
Captain Pedantic wrote: > He could have if He had used the Informix "Merry Christmas" datablade, > whereas Oracle doesn't even have row-level locking or online backups yet > ... You are partially correct. Do to Larry Ellison's upbringing in a Jewish household Oracle has been careful to stay non-denominational: Agnostic you might say. But with respect to the other two items ... row level locking and online backups have been around for decades. Perhaps you should read the good book. http://www.oracle.com/pls/db111/homepage -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Captain Pedantic wrote: > Really? Why does he have a Spanish name then? Ask him. <g> -- Daniel A. Morgan