Informix training manuals
A user asked whether Informix training course manuals can be bought separately (ideally electronically) without attending the course. No source for buying them was identified. Opinions differed on their value: one poster argued the course notes contain nothing beyond the standard manuals, just reordered, while others said the Internals/Architecture and XPS course books cover details (e.g. data layout) not in the manuals, partly because the manuals lag new features. Several noted the real benefit of a course is the trainer's knowledge. No resolution recorded; the thread drifts into banter.
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Is there a way to buy Informix training manuals as books other than actually attend the course? Even better if there's eletronic versions available. I found them very valuable references but don't want to spend the time and money to attend the course. Thanks, Carl Wu
In the year of Our Lord Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:50:37 +1100, "Carl Wu" <carlywu@yahoo.com> spake, saying: >Is there a way to buy Informix training manuals as books other than actually >attend the course? Even better if there's eletronic versions available. >I found them very valuable references but don't want to spend the time and >money to attend the course. There's nothing in the course notes that isn't already in the normal manuals. Just the order is different. I'd far rather have the manuals as a reference. :-)
In article <3a7e4f1c.221634603@130.133.1.4>, obnoxio@hotmail.com (Obnoxio The Clown) wrote: > In the year of Our Lord Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:50:37 +1100, "Carl Wu" > <carlywu@yahoo.com> spake, saying: > > >Is there a way to buy Informix training manuals as books other than actually > >attend the course? Even better if there's eletronic versions available. > >I found them very valuable references but don't want to spend the time and > >money to attend the course. > > There's nothing in the course notes that isn't already in the normal manuals. > Just the order is different. I'd far rather have the manuals as a reference. :-) > I would disagree with that statement. Either I havent read the right part of the manual(a possibility) or the manual doesnt go into nearly the same level of detail as the internal architecture course book on how data is layed out ... Will Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
In the year of Our Lord Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:47:07 GMT, William Rice <ricew@operamail.com> spake, saying: >In article <3a7e4f1c.221634603@130.133.1.4>, > obnoxio@hotmail.com (Obnoxio The Clown) wrote: >> In the year of Our Lord Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:50:37 +1100, "Carl Wu" >> <carlywu@yahoo.com> spake, saying: >> >> >Is there a way to buy Informix training manuals as books other than >actually >> >attend the course? Even better if there's eletronic versions >available. >> >I found them very valuable references but don't want to spend the >time and >> >money to attend the course. >> >> There's nothing in the course notes that isn't already in the normal >manuals. >> Just the order is different. I'd far rather have the manuals as a >reference. :-) > >I would disagree with that statement. Either I havent read the right >part of the manual(a possibility) or the manual doesnt go into nearly >the same level of detail as the internal architecture course book on >how data is layed out ... OK, so pick the one course I haven't been on...
In article <3a7eeae9.993108@130.133.1.4>, obnoxio@hotmail.com (Obnoxio The Clown) wrote: > In the year of Our Lord Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:47:07 GMT, William Rice > <ricew@operamail.com> spake, saying: > > >In article <3a7e4f1c.221634603@130.133.1.4>, > > obnoxio@hotmail.com (Obnoxio The Clown) wrote: > >> In the year of Our Lord Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:50:37 +1100, "Carl Wu" > >> <carlywu@yahoo.com> spake, saying: > >> > >> >Is there a way to buy Informix training manuals as books other than > >actually > >> >attend the course? Even better if there's eletronic versions > >available. > >> >I found them very valuable references but don't want to spend the > >time and > >> >money to attend the course. > >> > >> There's nothing in the course notes that isn't already in the normal > >manuals. > >> Just the order is different. I'd far rather have the manuals as a > >reference. :-) > > > >I would disagree with that statement. Either I havent read the right > >part of the manual(a possibility) or the manual doesnt go into nearly > >the same level of detail as the internal architecture course book on > >how data is layed out ... > > OK, so pick the one course I haven't been on... > I have heard they teach some stuff that's not in the manuals for the XPS class as well, but can't speak from experience on that one. Hopefully I will be able to speak from experience on that one before to long. :) Will Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
William Rice wrote in message <95mrt9$8iq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >In article <3a7eeae9.993108@130.133.1.4>, > >I have heard they teach some stuff that's not in the manuals for the >XPS class as well, but can't speak from experience on that one. >Hopefully I will be able to speak from experience on that one before to >long. :) > The groovyness of the courses is, it kinda gives a sequential understanding and things to look at, and some advice about what the fire truck it all means anyway. But even better about the courses, if you get a good experienced trainer (and I can't recall getting a novice from Informix) is the knowledge that you can suck out of the brains of the trainer. That information is not available from any book, and it's what I look forward to getting from any course. Regarding the XPS course manual, I'd guess the main manuals have not caught up with reality. What with the massive growth in features of the engines in the last few years, there are several points that have missed being mentioned in the manuals that accompany them. Some new features don't even reach the release notes! You may have to wait for the next version to arrive before you can learn about the last one ;-) But I agree, nothing beats going through the real manuals several times, and pondering the nonsense contained within. It should contain everything you need to know, and will contain a usable index as well. I prefer paper manuals, because you can't read a CD on the dunny. Oops, sorry about the toilet humour.
In article <3a7f322a@news.iprimus.com.au>, Andrew Hamm <ahamm@sanderson.net.au> writes > >But even better about the courses, if you get a good experienced trainer >(and I can't recall getting a novice from Informix) is the knowledge that >you can suck out of the brains of the trainer. That information is not >available from any book, and it's what I look forward to getting from any >course. > True! >Regarding the XPS course manual, I'd guess the main manuals have not caught >up with reality. What with the massive growth in features of the engines in >the last few years, there are several points that have missed being >mentioned in the manuals that accompany them. Some new features don't even >reach the release notes! You may have to wait for the next version to arrive >before you can learn about the last one ;-) > Such as? What am I missing currently (apart from not being able to get XPS from intraware)! >But I agree, nothing beats going through the real manuals several times, and >pondering the nonsense contained within. It should contain everything you >need to know, and will contain a usable index as well. I prefer paper >manuals, because you can't read a CD on the dunny. Oops, sorry about the >toilet humour. > > > -- David Williams
David Williams wrote in message ... > > Such as? What am I missing currently (apart from not being able to > get XPS from intraware)! > Well, how would I know ?->> It's not in the manuals yet!
In the year of Our Lord Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:13:09 +1100, "Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@sanderson.net.au> spake, saying: >William Rice wrote in message <95mrt9$8iq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >>In article <3a7eeae9.993108@130.133.1.4>, >> >>I have heard they teach some stuff that's not in the manuals for the >>XPS class as well, but can't speak from experience on that one. >>Hopefully I will be able to speak from experience on that one before to >>long. :) >> > >The groovyness of the courses is, it kinda gives a sequential understanding >and things to look at, and some advice about what the fire truck it all >means anyway. > >But even better about the courses, if you get a good experienced trainer >(and I can't recall getting a novice from Informix) is the knowledge that >you can suck out of the brains of the trainer. That information is not >available from any book, and it's what I look forward to getting from any >course. Ah. You've been sucking the brains out of the trainers. That's why all the ones I've dealt with have been so dumb.
Obnoxio The Clown wrote in message <3a7fe9b2.10173118@130.133.1.4>... > >Ah. You've been sucking the brains out of the trainers. That's why all the ones >I've dealt with have been so dumb. Are we allowed to use the "S" word in this newsgroup?
In the year of Our Lord Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:32:24 +1100, "Andrew Hamm" <ahamm@sanderson.net.au> spake, saying: >Obnoxio The Clown wrote in message <3a7fe9b2.10173118@130.133.1.4>... >> >>Ah. You've been sucking the brains out of the trainers. That's why all the >ones >>I've dealt with have been so dumb. > >Are we allowed to use the "S" word in this newsgroup? Lordy, no! You may offend some right-thinking reader. Someone who's moral standards rise above the norms of current society. Or someone who's just full of shit.