isql vs dbaccess

I would like a confirmation on this: I have intalled v6.01 of the informix-4gl RDS and the isql utility was not among the programs. Does this mean isql has been replaced by dbaccess ? Besides forms, does dbaccess cover the same functionnality that isql does ? Thanks, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Christian Allaire wrote: > > I would like a confirmation on this: > > I have intalled v6.01 of the informix-4gl RDS and > the isql utility was not among the programs. > Does this mean isql has been replaced by dbaccess ? > dbaccess replaced ISQL for everything except forms. ISQL is still a great tool, and we hope someday to see it on Linux. There is also additional functionality in dbaccess that is not found in ISQL, except for ISQL's form-runner. > Besides forms, does dbaccess cover the same > functionnality that isql does ? > Basically the same functionality can be found in dbaccess as ISQL without forms, with additional features for the newer engines. Tim > Thanks, > > Chris > > -- - -- --- Tim Schaefer ---- tschaefe@mindspring.com --- http://www.inxutil.com -- -

Tim Schaefer wrote: > Christian Allaire wrote: > > I would like a confirmation on this: > > > > I have intalled v6.01 of the informix-4gl RDS and > > the isql utility was not among the programs. > > Does this mean isql has been replaced by dbaccess ? > > dbaccess replaced ISQL for everything except forms. ...and reports, and user menus. > ISQL is still a great tool, and we hope someday to > see it on Linux. ISQL is available on Linux today. It can be ordered, etc. Ditto for I4GL, I4GL-RDS, I4GL-ID. I've only said it twice so far, so it isn't yet an established truth, but it is supposed to be available, and has been for over a week. If you haven't seen any announcement and need to see one to believe me, then that's your prerogative, but you may wait in vain; there are politics around it which prevent it from being treated as other than a routine port, and Informix doesn't routinely announce routine ports. > There is also additional functionality in dbaccess that > is not found in ISQL, except for ISQL's form-runner. > > > Besides forms, does dbaccess cover the same > > functionnality that isql does ? No. ISQL comes with Informix-SQL. It provides the forms and reports and user menus which are not part of DB-Access. ISQL has a primitive (early) version of the query language, database and table building options that are handled better by DB-Access. > Basically the same functionality can be found in dbaccess > as ISQL without forms, with additional features for the > newer engines. -- Jonathan Leffler (jleffler@informix.com, jleffler@earthlink.net) Guardian of DBD::Informix v0.60 -- see http://www.perl.com/CPAN #include <disclaimer.h>

Jonathan Leffler wrote: > > Tim Schaefer wrote: > > Christian Allaire wrote: [SNIP] > > ISQL is still a great tool, and we hope someday to > > see it on Linux. > > ISQL is available on Linux today. It can be ordered, etc. > Ditto for I4GL, I4GL-RDS, I4GL-ID. I've only said it twice > so far, so it isn't yet an established truth, but it is > supposed to be available, and has been for over a week. > > If you haven't seen any announcement and need to see one to > believe me, then that's your prerogative, but you may wait in vain; > there are politics around it which prevent it from being treated > as other than a routine port, and Informix doesn't routinely > announce routine ports. [SNIP] No announcement but this is covered in the Linux FAQ online in the IDN Linux Corner if one needs the OFFICIAL word (as if Jonathan is not official enough). Art S. Kagel

Jonathan Leffler wrote: > > ISQL is available on Linux today. It can be ordered, etc. Jonathan, not your fault I'm sure but: I4GL should be available as a download. I should not have to contact a sales monkey for a CD of something that should be delivered with the engine(s). I downloaded the engines for Linux, it's a no-brainer to download 4GL. In fact 4GL should have been packaged with the latest Linux offerings. Informix missed a big opportunity to reach a lot of new INFORMIX developers. By forcing people to go through the zoo with bananas they missed out on widening the developer community at a time when this is so crucial to the future of Informix. I know plenty of developers who will not bother with calling their sales office. > Ditto for I4GL, I4GL-RDS, I4GL-ID. I've only said it twice > so far, so it isn't yet an established truth, but it is > supposed to be available, and has been for over a week. > Jonathan, thanks for the heads up. I just happened to stop by this newsgroup and would have never known about ISQL or the others being available for Linux--except for I4GL--had this thread not been started. We got a trickle of info over in our linux-informix mailing list, but even that wasn't much. Maybe someday the knuckle dragging politicians at your company will be removed so your company can compete in a timely manner. Most of the products for Linux are way late to market--if at all--and there is no marketing plan at all. I'm convinced Diane Fraiman has done little for the money, perhaps a talent search should start soon to get someone in that can get things moving. She's been with the company, what almost a year, and what have we seen? Very little. A lot of money on an exec who ain't producing much. > If you haven't seen any announcement and need to see one to > believe me, then that's your prerogative, but you may wait in vain; > there are politics around it which prevent it from being treated > as other than a routine port, and Informix doesn't routinely > announce routine ports. > Amazing. It's absolutely amazing. Linux ports were the marketing opportunity of the decade and Informix missed the boat and didn't even bother to make some press over it. Instead, in their stuffed shirt style they spite their face by cutting off the nose. Rather than listen to the end-user community and do some publicity and advertising they release it with a whimper. What a bunch of losers in the marketing department. Absolutely a no-talent bunch. <snip> > -- > Jonathan Leffler (jleffler@informix.com, jleffler@earthlink.net) > Guardian of DBD::Informix v0.60 -- see http://www.perl.com/CPAN > #include <disclaimer.h> It's quite clear what I'd do if I ran Informix. Imagine the cost savings I could bring by the firings of all the politicians and lopping off of dead weight in the marketing department. :-) Think about it Informix: The more focus developers put on YOUR products the less focus they put on your competition. This means, in simpleton terms, make your products KNOWN and EASY to get a hold of so that the widest possible audience can get their hands on it. Hey, why not try marketing where your competition markets, and using the same venues for distribution, i.e. the web so that developers can support your company. Sales monkeys are completely unnecessary for this. This is something you OWE your developer community, not an option. They go to bat for you, the least you can do is provide the decency of a prompt response, adequate advertising, and easy access to tools and products. Tim -- - -- --- Tim Schaefer ---- tschaefe@mindspring.com --- http://www.inxutil.com -- -

In article <78iqdp$i0k$1@news.xmission.com>, Christian Allaire <c_allaire@hotmail.com> wrote: >I have intalled v6.01 of the informix-4gl RDS and >the isql utility was not among the programs. >Does this mean isql has been replaced by dbaccess ? ISQL was never part of RDS, or any other 4GL product. >Besides forms, does dbaccess cover the same >functionnality that isql does ? Only ISQL has forms (Perform), reports (Ace), and User-menus. -- Alan Denney yosemiteATaccesscom.com Not a spokesman for Yosemite Botanical Munitions Inc. or Access Compost Supply.