Re: Smarter Questions for IBM
That's funny. I responded to Art and there was no moderator involved. Sent from a remote device. Please excuse any typos... On Jun 2, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Martin Fuerderer <MARTINFU@de.ibm.com> wrote: > My response is official as the whole thing (including or > especially responses) are moderated. After I entered > my answer I got a notice to this effect and only after > the moderator had approved my response showed up. > Nevertheless, as far as I can judge (I didn't keep a > copy of my original response) my original response > was published unchanged, as the moderator also > ensured me, that my response "is good on its own" > (even though it did not contain a comparison against > Oracle). > > Cheers, Martin > -- > Martin Fuerderer > IBM Informix Development Munich, Germany > Information Management > > Read about the Informix Warehouse Accelerator: > http://tinyurl.com/the-iwa-blog > > IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH > Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Jetter > Board of Management: Dirk Wittkopp > Corporate Seat: Boeblingen, Germany > Reg.-Gericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 > > informix-list-bounces@iiug.org wrote on 06/02/2011 04:59:42 PM: >> >> Just a clarification... >> >> Was Martin's response an *official* IBM response? >> From the site, it looks like he was doing this on his own... >> >> And to the main point. >> This site is primarily dedicated to attacking Oracle and comparing IBM's > SWG products against Oracle's offerings. >> So yes, there's nothing about Informix. >> >> Now why is that? >> Could it be that Informix isn't positioned against Oracle? >> >> I'll let that sink in.... >> >> (Wait a few minutes for the kids who ride the short bus catch up..) :-) >> >> >> ... >> Yes, they are really that slow and they're waiting for Stuart to catch > up too! :-) >> ... >> >> Ok, now that we have everyone's attention... >> Remember the 'go to market' slide that was presented by Jerry Keese? If > you rotate the circle one way, you had Informix. >> You rotate it the other way... you have DB2. While Informix could be > positioned against Oracle, the default is to present DB2 against Oracle. >> >> The reality is that the slide placated the Informix crowd while in > practice, it allowed the IBM sales force to focus on selling DB2. >> (And again for the slow people... The Informix product management team > never quite understood what it would take to sell the S&D folks on > Informix.) >> >> While Neil suggests that Eric talk to Stuart is kind of humorous. Stuart > has been sucking on the IBM teat for so long all the while selling > Informix customers 4Js products... >> >> Again the point is that IBM isn't going to listen unless you are one of > the fortunate 50 customers who are large enough that the IBM S&D team > covering you as an account all have brown necks. >> Unfortunately those same sales folks now suffer from Hypoxia so they > still don't get it and the message is either distorted or lost. >> >> And since we have the slow folks still here... in short: IBM doesn't > care about you. They don't make money, or much money from the Informix > crowd outside of a few customers who also happen to spend a lot of money > on other IBM products and services. >> Shout all you want... it doesn't matter. Even if Jerry Keese and crew > listened and tried their best, they still will fail because they don't get > out of the lab much. And sorry Jerry, dog and pony shows where your tech > guys are trotted out to meet and >> greet existing customers doesn't cut it. >> Unless you own paper, or work with S&D on a regular basis... you will > never understand. BTW, how did those "All Hands Calls" work for you? >> >> But what do I know? >> Oh wait! That was my job. I was in the lab where I tried to align the > goals of IM with the S&D division on a daily basis. I held paper. I made > deals happen... >> So I guess I really do know what I'm talking about. Which is why I can > say that even 6 years since my escape from the borg, IBM IM Informix types > still don't get it. >> >> And since I don't want to be seen as being negative... let me yet again > offer IBM a *FREE*, albeit cryptic clue... "When you have a Leatherman or > a Swiss Army Knife, learn how to sell a Leatherman or a Swiss Army knife. > You don't sell it as cutlery or flatware." >> >> Peace Out! >> -G >> >> PS. A special note to Jerry Keesee: >> Jerry, you really do need to get out more. Chicago is still just a short > hop away from KC. >> >>> From: eherber1967@googlemail.com >>> Subject: Re: Smarter Questions for IBM >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 05:39:23 -0700 >>> To: informix-list@iiug.org >>> >>> On 2 Jun., 12:11, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@ardenta.com> wrote: >>>> "Eric Herber" <eherber1...@googlemail.com> wrote in message >>>> >>>> > news:08a15eb4-81ac-4c7b-940a-1db012870f3e@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>>> After some people asked some real smart questions, IBM installed a > new >>>>> slogan now in >>>>> the area where you could provide questions: >>>> >>>>> http://smarterquestions.org/ask-a-smarter-question/ >>>> >>>>> "And while we would love to answer all of your IBM-related > questions, >>>>> Smarter Questions >>>>> only considers the competitive aspects of IBM technology versus >>>>> Oracle. " >>>> >>>>> Good to know that Informix doesn't compete with Oracle from IBM's >>>>> point of view. >>>> >>>> Are you sure that the appearance of this extra paragraph is related > to a >>>> determination not to answer questions about Informix? Have any > Informix >>>> answers appeared yet? >>> >>> Neil, >>> >>> you are right, it is probably not related. >>> >>> One Informix question about compression has been answered by Martin >>> Fuerderer >>> after he observed the existence of smarterquestions.org due to my >>> posting here. >>> >>> The point is that this is an official IBM website and once again IBM >>> demonstrated >>> that Informix is still treated as "Cinderella". Several DB2 "smarter" >>> questions >>> asked and answered by IBM itself and not a single one related to >>> Informix (:- >>> >>> What I also dislike is the fact that they suggest that this is an open >>> platform >>> where questions could be asked by customers and now deny to answer >>> them as they might be considered too critical. >>> >>> If smarterquestions.org "considers the competetive aspects of IBM >>> technology >>> versus Oracle" I think it is legitimate to ask why they didn't >>> mention Informix when denouncing Oracle's HP/UX Itanium strategy and >>> it >>> is also legitmate to ask why we don't see an official Informix TPC >>> benchmark >>> that would help us to compete with Oracle and it is also legitimate to >>> ask >>> how Neteeza and Informix Warehouse Accelerator compete with Oracle >>> Exadata and it is also legitimate to ask what is IBM's preferred >>> database >>> solution for Smart Metering and it is also legitimate to ask why DB2 >