Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases
Not a technical problem at all — this is a discussion/rant thread about press coverage of the IDS 11.1 "Cheetah" release. A poster links a compilation of press releases, and others react to a Computerworld piece quoting analyst Wayne Kernochan, who dismissed IDS as never matching DB2 or regaining top-three status. Participants question the analyst's credentials and IBM's marketing effort, while another argues the real value is in the beta program and feature papers (MACH 11, LBAC, RTO), not press releases. No technical issue or resolution is recorded.
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Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will get, almost deja vu all over again. Classic, truly classic. Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same league, even with the new features. Neil Truby wrote: > < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message > news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 >> (Cheetah) published. >> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases that >> I've discovered: >> >> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press > > Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. > >
Wayne Kernochan? Who is this guy and what does he know? Seems he's in the business of selling technology white papers through his company Infostructure Associates. Meaning a paid to write "Independent Research" for companies. A quick Google search shows that Wayne has been busy on IBM's payroll and has written a bit about DB2. Note to IBMers, please feel free to let your executive mangement team to withold Wayne's last paycheck. Seems he didn't get the memo that IBM is repositioning IDS to handle OLTP while DB2 focuses on DW markets. Also that DB2 isn't DB2. DB2 is DB2 for z, DB2 for i, and DB2 for luw. Does IBM plan on breaking down those numbers? Granted IDS is no DB2. If it was, do you really think that there would be such a loyal following? But hey! What do I know? I'm a professed IDS bigot. > >"Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain its >ranking as one of the three major databases in >the world? That would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it >still offer performance for certain transaction >patterns, and thereby make the database a little less of a boat anchor? >Yes, indeed." > >Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, and be >a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as >not in the same league, even with the new features. > _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail'award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
Gumby I saw your comments on CW, and pretty much feel the same way. One important note to IBM, press releases are not marketing! Press releases are just press releases! And you did a pretty shitty job at that! IDS is destined to remain the whipping boy of the industry, especially the way CW pumped out the dismissive statements, again IDS is in Oracle's shadow, at one point being compared with it, and at another point dismissed altogether. CW obviously withheld any kind of journalistic impartiality, and certainly didn't have somebody write an article with any kind of technical background enough to articulate anything other than just rewriting the press release. CW is just a mouthpiece for its advertisers. -t- Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > Wayne Kernochan? > > Who is this guy and what does he know? > > Seems he's in the business of selling technology white papers through > his company Infostructure Associates. Meaning a paid to write > "Independent Research" for companies. > > A quick Google search shows that Wayne has been busy on IBM's payroll > and has written a bit about DB2. > > Note to IBMers, please feel free to let your executive mangement team to > withold Wayne's last paycheck. Seems he didn't get the memo that IBM is > repositioning IDS to handle OLTP while DB2 focuses on DW markets. > > Also that DB2 isn't DB2. DB2 is DB2 for z, DB2 for i, and DB2 for luw. > Does IBM plan on breaking down those numbers? Granted IDS is no DB2. If > it was, do you really think that there would be such a loyal following? > > But hey! What do I know? I'm a professed IDS bigot. > > > >> >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in >> the world? That would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it >> still offer performance for certain transaction >> patterns, and thereby make the database a little less of a boat >> anchor? Yes, indeed." >> >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as >> not in the same league, even with the new features. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > PC Magazine's 2007 editors' choice for best Web mail'award-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 > >
>From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> >IDS is destined to remain the whipping boy of the industry, especially the >way CW pumped out the dismissive statements, >again IDS is in Oracle's shadow, at one point being compared with it, and >at another point dismissed altogether. CW >obviously withheld any kind of journalistic impartiality, and certainly >didn't have somebody write an article with any >kind of technical background enough to articulate anything other than just >rewriting the press release. CW is just a >mouthpiece for its advertisers. > I don't think its really fair to bash CW on their journalistic integrity. At least on this one. I think that CW probably asked Wayne, the brainless Git, a question along the lines of IDS replacing DB2 in the luw marketplace. So I'm sure Wayne spoke the partly line as he sees it. But again, I don't think Wayne groks IDS or really knows DB2's market in the luw areana. If you check out Wayne's background via a google search, you'll see he wrote some articles on the values of the mainframe. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01
Tool wrote: > Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once > again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will get, > almost deja vu all over again. > > Classic, truly classic. > > Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: > > "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain its > ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That would be > a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer performance > for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the database a little > less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." > > Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, and > be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same league, > even with the new features. > > Neil Truby wrote: >> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message >> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 >>> (Cheetah) published. >>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases that >>> I've discovered: >>> >>> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press >> >> Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. >> > If I'm allowed a few comments...: - What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press releases I think... - We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next release - Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference... - There are plans in place for more - Support is really working to improve customer experience. I never saw nothing like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was sending a colleague some links (most of them external) with lot's of information... He just kept saying "wow... where did you get all this?". The answer is: These guys are producing info like never before :) So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very limited and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet most of them wouldn't read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand when I send them the papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they tell me: Great! That's what I was looking for! Regards. -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
I guarantee this, please save this message for next month. Here's what's going to happen. IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month, followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING! Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release, within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally overshadow anything IDS had. I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they release it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no excitement, no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT. Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions about the product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned over IDS. It's OVER before it ever got started. I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING! Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh! -t- Fernando Nunes wrote: > Tool wrote: >> Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once >> again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will get, >> almost deja vu all over again. >> >> Classic, truly classic. >> >> Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: >> >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That >> would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer >> performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the >> database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." >> >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same >> league, even with the new features. >> >> Neil Truby wrote: >>> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message >>> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 >>>> (Cheetah) published. >>>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases that >>>> I've discovered: >>>> >>>> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press >>> >>> Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. >>> >> > > If I'm allowed a few comments...: > - What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press > releases I think... > - We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next release > - Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference... > - There are plans in place for more > - Support is really working to improve customer experience. I never saw > nothing like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was sending a > colleague some links (most of them external) with lot's of > information... He just kept saying "wow... where did you get all this?". > The answer is: These guys are producing info like never before :) > > So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very > limited and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet most of > them wouldn't read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand > when I send them the papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they tell me: > Great! That's what I was looking for! > > Regards. >