These crazy emails about IDS to DB2 conversion

Colin, I've just checked this by accessing the newsgroup and it is still unclear to me what email serge was referring to. But then much of what Serge says is unclear :-o As to this issue in general - Yesterday I raised the question of "should serge and OTC take this topic offline?" I was concerned at the bandwidth that was being used up between these two individuals. And whilst I don't have bandwidth problems at the moment I do know many people who are still have very restricted access to these facilities. I seem to have had the negative effect. Suddenly we have had a plethora of opinions on what IBM are doing, what the IIUG board is doing. This is our newsgroup. It does not belong to IBM, it does not belong to IIUG board. It belongs to the members of the newsgroup. It should be self-policing. And if any of us think that a discussion would be better handled offline we should say so. And the originators should take note. And guys, please remember that the population of this newsgroup is mainly honest, hardworking developers and DBAs who don't really give a toss whether the database of the future is DB2 based, or Informix based, provided they have tools they can use to develop applications and database facilities. Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Bull Sent: 05 February 2004 09:10 To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: RE: IDS to DB2 conversion Serge Rielau wrote > > Good post :-) > OTC >> bollocks Serge I have a severe problem with your posts. You cut all the previous comment out and I do not know what you are referring to. Because I read the group from the mail list, not only are they delayed by about 4 hours, they are also shuffled. It is a bit like the TV quiz where the contestant has been given the answers, but is answering the next question before it is asked :-( Colin Bull c.bull@videonetworks.com ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ sending to informix-list sending to informix-list

So it's ok to keep it here in comp.databases.informix as long as it meets your guidelines? Thanks so much Malcolm you twit. Here we are geezuz 10 years down the road and there's still knuckle draggers who pull out the "bandwidth" nonsense predating the world wide web in this and other newsgroups. For me that's a ticket to even more chatter and endless posts with lots of lively discussion about more nothing! Keep it coming I say, at this point it's a lot more entertaining than hearing about a backup or replication problem, which usually ends up being a user problem and not the software. So far I've learned from the clown that it's cool to speak up now, and it's ok for people to be upset with the IIUG and IBM. It's in style now, having been blessed by endless banter, quick witlessness, defensive politicians, and the corporate spineless chiming in. You may remember a while back IIUG people having a problem with individuals who couldn't suck up to Informix or IBM or Malcolm for that matter you old dog. I eagerly await any opportunity to pull the IIUG chain, and for you witless Brits, an opportunity to piss on the queen and your smokey, cockney drivvel. I cannot hardly wait. Thanks Malcolm, let's get this rockin...please go crawl back under your rock. Tim "malcolm weallans" <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bvt6h7$nmk$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > > Colin, > I've just checked this by accessing the newsgroup and it is still > unclear to me what email serge was referring to. But then much of what > Serge says is unclear :-o > > As to this issue in general - > > Yesterday I raised the question of "should serge and OTC take this topic > offline?" I was concerned at the bandwidth that was being used up > between these two individuals. And whilst I don't have bandwidth > problems at the moment I do know many people who are still have very > restricted access to these facilities. > > I seem to have had the negative effect. Suddenly we have had a plethora > of opinions on what IBM are doing, what the IIUG board is doing. > > This is our newsgroup. It does not belong to IBM, it does not belong to > IIUG board. It belongs to the members of the newsgroup. It should be > self-policing. And if any of us think that a discussion would be better > handled offline we should say so. And the originators should take note. > And guys, please remember that the population of this newsgroup is > mainly honest, hardworking developers and DBAs who don't really give a > toss whether the database of the future is DB2 based, or Informix based, > provided they have tools they can use to develop applications and > database facilities. > > Regards > > Malcolm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] > On Behalf Of Colin Bull > Sent: 05 February 2004 09:10 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: RE: IDS to DB2 conversion > > > Serge Rielau wrote > > > > Good post :-) > > > OTC >> bollocks > > Serge I have a severe problem with your posts. You cut all the previous > comment out and I do not know what you are referring to. > > Because I read the group from the mail list, not only are they delayed > by about 4 hours, they are also shuffled. It is a bit like the TV quiz > where the contestant has been given the answers, but is answering the > next question before it is asked :-( > > Colin Bull > c.bull@videonetworks.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email > Security System. For more information on a proactive email security > service working around the clock, around the globe, visit > http://www.messagelabs.com > ________________________________________________________________________ > sending to informix-list > > sending to informix-list

malcolm weallans wrote: > Yesterday I raised the question of "should serge and OTC take this topic > offline?" I was concerned at the bandwidth that was being used up > between these two individuals. And whilst I don't have bandwidth > problems at the moment I do know many people who are still have very > restricted access to these facilities. I bet it hasn't taken up as much bandwidth as one HTML/MIME post. Yet you don't have any problem moaning at me for complaining about that. > I seem to have had the negative effect. Suddenly we have had a plethora > of opinions on what IBM are doing, what the IIUG board is doing. And this, of course, is entirely irrelevant to Informix users. I mean, hell, why would an Informix user care about what the vendor of their software and the user group that represents them, do? > This is our newsgroup. It does not belong to IBM, it does not belong to > IIUG board. It belongs to the members of the newsgroup. It should be > self-policing. And if any of us think that a discussion would be better > handled offline we should say so. And the originators should take note. > And guys, please remember that the population of this newsgroup is > mainly honest, hardworking developers and DBAs who don't really give a > toss whether the database of the future is DB2 based, or Informix based, > provided they have tools they can use to develop applications and > database facilities. I'm sorry Malcolm, who appointed you moderator? I must have missed that bit. You are, of course, fully entitled to your opinion that I should shut up about this, and you are entitled to express it, but I am also just as entitled to the expression my opinion that the debate over the future of Informix technology and the failure of IBM to treat IDS in a way that I consider proper. But I am definitely not going to shut up about something that I believe is crucial to the future of my career and the career of thousands out there, just because _you_ want me to. As one of the dishonest and slovenly people here who *does* give a toss about where my twenty-year investment in technical skills is going, I think this is of interest to most Informixers. If you want to talk about databases in general, go sit on comp.databases. This newsgroup is for discussion about Informix-related issues, and the issue of Informix's future technology and strategy is very important to me and, I would hope, the many dishonest and slovenly other DBAs out there (Paul and Neil come to mind for some reason. :o) If I was sitting here slagging off the XBox compared to the PS2, you would be quite right in having this go at me, but this forum is for anything Informix-related -- and my "beef" is definitely Informix-related. If you want to make a purely technical forum that you have the final control over, create your own in the alt.* hierarchy, build a bulletin board using PHP (I'm sure Tim will help you) or start your own mailing list. If you don't want to see any of my posts, just PLONK me or put me in your email killfile. I really won't be offended. -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ''' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche

Tim Schaefer wrote: > So it's ok to keep it here in comp.databases.informix as long as it > meets your guidelines? Thanks so much Malcolm you twit. OK, so maybe Tim won't help you with the PHP bulletin board. :o) > I > eagerly await any opportunity to pull the IIUG chain, and for you > witless Brits, an opportunity to piss on the queen and your smokey, > cockney drivvel. I cannot hardly wait. Thanks Malcolm, let's get this > rockin...please go crawl back under your rock. "Drivel". "I cannot wait" or "I can hardly wait". I think it's being a bit unfair to the rest of us outside of 'stend to say that we're all Cockney. And witless? Pretty rich coming from an Amurrican, in Florida, the place what gave the free world "Doobier" as a leader. :op I'm going to be in extra trouble now for publicly picking nits and splitting hairs. I hope. :o) -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ''' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche

I don't do bulletin boards, too much work, there's already plenty of them out there in PHP, but thanks for the plug. You have to be under 25 to write that stuff anyway, plus no way I'd help Malcolm on that one, he doesn't have any equipment modern enough to render a web browser. Last I heard he was still using smoke signals on days when he can't bang his drums. :-) Hey Malcolm, have a hearty, piping hot cup of STFU! Tim "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bvtcto$10juqr$1@ID-64669.news.uni-berlin.de... > If you want to make a purely technical forum that you have the final control > over, create your own in the alt.* hierarchy, build a bulletin board using > PHP (I'm sure Tim will help you) or start your own mailing list. If you > don't want to see any of my posts, just PLONK me or put me in your email > killfile. I really won't be offended. > > -- > "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" > - Coluche

"malcolm weallans" <malcolm.iiug@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bvt6h7$nmk$1@terabinaries.xmission.com... > This is our newsgroup. It does not belong to IBM, it does not belong to > IIUG board. It belongs to the members of the newsgroup. It should be > self-policing. And if any of us think that a discussion would be better > handled offline we should say so. And the originators should take note. You did say so. We did take note. And we ignored you ...!

"Tim Schaefer" <tim@spamethnot.com> wrote in message news:4jqUb.183129$vb2.161450@fe22.usenetserver.com... > I > eagerly await any opportunity to pull the IIUG chain, and for you > witless Brits, an opportunity to piss on the queen and your smokey, > cockney drivvel. I cannot hardly wait. Leave it out! Bleeding 'ell. You're 'avin' a larf ....

Ya bringin me ta tears with lafter. :-) So didn't use my spelchkr so shoot me! BTW I didn't vote for that twit either. I'm holdin out for Hillary then moving to France... "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bvtda6$vg5d1$1@ID-64669.news.uni-berlin.de... > Tim Schaefer wrote: > > > So it's ok to keep it here in comp.databases.informix as long as it > > meets your guidelines? Thanks so much Malcolm you twit. > > OK, so maybe Tim won't help you with the PHP bulletin board. :o) > > > I > > eagerly await any opportunity to pull the IIUG chain, and for you > > witless Brits, an opportunity to piss on the queen and your smokey, > > cockney drivvel. I cannot hardly wait. Thanks Malcolm, let's get this > > rockin...please go crawl back under your rock. > > "Drivel". > > "I cannot wait" or "I can hardly wait". > > I think it's being a bit unfair to the rest of us outside of 'stend to say > that we're all Cockney. > > And witless? Pretty rich coming from an Amurrican, in Florida, the place > what gave the free world "Doobier" as a leader. :op > > I'm going to be in extra trouble now for publicly picking nits and splitting > hairs. I hope. :o) > > -- > "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" > - Coluche

Tim Schaefer wrote: > Last I heard he was still using smoke signals on days when he can't > bang his drums. Like this, you mean...? http://eagle.auc.ca/~dreid/ -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche