RE: Stuart strikes again - history is altered!

"I should be very careful if I were you making such allegations." Sheeeeesh, Malc, you hooked up with the British Mafia or something??? I'll chime in on this one now. To be honest, I DID jump into the IIUG to gain something. I knew going in my effort's would be rewarded with *free* training and education. So in a sense I did get paid for my services. -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of malcolm weallans Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 7:47 AM To: doubleecho@your.com; informix-list@iiug.org Subject: RE: Stuart strikes again - history is altered! I resent the infernece that I ever made a penny off of the IIUG. I should be very careful if I were you making such allegations. -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Double Echo Sent: 19 May 2006 13:19 To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: Stuart strikes again - history is altered! Malcolm, Obviously it's a touchy subject, but you don't have to be ashamed of making a little gain off of the IIUG. I did say, for what it's worth, just my .02, nothing wrong with that. What's the issue? It's all about the image, the presentation, if it looks like what it is, then maybe that's what it is. We live in capitalistic societies, and people are ambitious. No big deal. But consider the obvious picture you paint in peoples' minds when they see what is happening--or what happened. You discovered your folly taking money from Informix, and thusly tainting and poisoning your position. Yes, it costs money to run an organization, but you can't have a user group with pure intentions taking money from the very company that you are supposedly representing users for. Does that make sense to you? If you really wanted to, you could have found other ways to fund your situation. Again, not blaming you for the way things have gone, the point is that if your organization takes money, people will question your motives when they discover where the money is coming from. Like I said you can't make a pig something else just by putting lipstick on it. The other issue, putting Informix employees on the board was also a big mistake, but there were good intentions behind it to help build credibility. It had the reverse effect to a lot of people, they saw Informix in your pocket and saw an organization that is really just an extension of the company. There were probably good intentions for everyone concerned but let's not muddy the water when it really gets down to it, taking money from IBM or Informix dilutes your position, and you can never be as objective or have a really strong position in anyones mind as long as you do that. When the IIUG speaks, the message is loaded with hidden motives. That's all I'm saying. Now, go write a book about Informix and cash out. malcolm weallans wrote: > I object most vehemently to your comments. The 5 founders of IIUG > were - Cathy Kipp, Lester Knutsen, Walt Hultgren, Carlton Doe, and > Malcolm Weallans (the real me :-)) At that time only Cathy was in the > process of writing a book, and Carlton's book came much later. And > all of us at that time were REAL users trying to do a real job. > > When we set up IIUG we had no funding from Informix - and indeed for > the first few years we had to pay our own expenses to attend the > worldwide user conferences. I personally paid my own expenses for 4 > conferences and gave up many weeks of my time each year to try to make > IIUG a user group that we would all be proud of. > > We were never in it for what we could get out of it, in fact we had > many heated debates on the financing of IIUG as none of us really ever > wanted to be beholden to the company. The only reason that we ever > took money from Informix was to fund the travel that was necessary for > the board meetings that were necessary to get a multi-national > organisation set up. The IIUG did however need some funding for > maintaining the membership list, running web-sites etc. Without > getting into the ramifications of international finance we were > finding it difficult to fix a fee for membership which was when we > became subsidised by Informix. > > During that time we set up many programs aimed at getting the user > voice known to Informix. This included a very active advocacy > program, a permanent home for cdi, and a permanent home for the > software repository. > > I suggest that you should publish a personal apology to the 5 founders > of the IIUG and to the board members who grew a fledgling organisation > into something that was a model for how a user group could be financed > by the company and yet remain fiercely independent. > > Malcolm Weallans > > > -----Original Message----- > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org > [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] > On Behalf Of Double Echo > Sent: 18 May 2006 20:24 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Stuart strikes again - history is altered! > > > me wrote: >> Well - the board apparently doesn't care if the president publishes >> details about his career that aren't true - just to help his own >> cause. > > He's not the first to use the IIUG for their own gain. Sheesh, stand > in line, the first wave had authors on board who basically were just > cheerleaders. > >> If they do - we will see some action. I mean really - TWO articles >> that are not accurate? The fact that someone would say these things >> knowingly, and that doesn't reflect on their character, AND the board >> "blesses it" by lack of concern - amazing. >> > What character? :-) > > Quick--don't google it--give the name right now of the president of > the IDUG, or Sybase's user group, or Oracle's user group. Who are > they? You most likely don't know because you don't run in those > camps. The IIUG is big in _your_ mind only because you see it as > important. But the reality is that the IIUG is not really important, > they don't exist unless you use Informix and want to associate with > the IIUG because of whatever reasons you choose to do so. The IIUG is > occasionally important when occasionally quoted in trade magazines, > but hardly relevant because Informix is hardly relevant. The board of > directors is just a political body. When Informix is important the > IIUG will be important. Until then you're wasting your time. What are > they going to do? Fire the guy? He's cheerleading for free! > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list