Re: Informix 10 vs Oracle 10g

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:58:59 -0000 (GMT), "Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote: > >RollForward Wizard said: >> >> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>> RollForward Wizard said: >>>> DA Morgan wrote: >>>>> RollForward Wizard wrote: >>>>>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> RollForward Wizard said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is awesome work. I think it touches on some very salient >>>>>>>> points, >>>>>>>> especially regarding virtual processors and threading. It is >>>>>>>> amazing >>>>>>>> that Oracle technology could have gone so wrong despite the amount >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> money they have as a company, and how they could not come up with a >>>>>>>> better engine--or why haven't they dumped the current engine and >>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> new one that is actually better than any other product. Simply >>>>>>>> amazing. >>>>>>>> All that money and they can't find anyone to make their technology >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> than it is. They must have their priorities wrong, spending so >>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>> on sales and marketing. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RE: http://www.IIUG.org/resources/articles/IDS10vsOracle10g.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're pushing on an open door, trust me. I don't think there's a >>>>>>> single >>>>>>> person who uses Informix who doesn't wish that Informix and IBM were >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> effective at creating brand awareness for Informix as Oracle is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And then you'll find plenty of people who say Oracle don't spend >>>>>>> ENOUGH on >>>>>>> sales and marketing. >>>>>>> >>>>>> If you're IBM or any company, you have to have something to sell, and >>>>>> a market >>>>>> that likes what you sell. If there isn't a market for Informix, no >>>>>> matter how >>>>>> great it is, you are not going to sell Informix to anyone. IBM, >>>>>> Oracle, and >>>>>> Microsoft all sell a lot of software, some products more than others. >>>>>> At the >>>>>> end of the day, they look at what they sell, and make decisions, just >>>>>> like any >>>>>> business would. If it doesn't make money, why would they continue to >>>>>> push it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Oracle and Microsoft by the way do an excellent job of putting some >>>>>> pretty wrapping >>>>>> around all their products, something that is instructive for all of >>>>>> us. >>>>>> >>>>>> What does IBM need to do specifically to sell more Informix? Or is >>>>>> it >>>>>> less about >>>>>> "selling" Informix, and just making it more prominent, or visible, or >>>>>> legit, or ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> What do IBM need to do with Informix that gives the product its' >>>>>> proper place? >>>>>> >>>>>> New books? >>>>>> >>>>>> New co-op developer programs? ( IBM DB2 and Zend PHP Core for >>>>>> example >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> New promotions? >>>>>> >>>>>> New advertising? >>>>>> >>>>>> New Web Seminars? >>>>>> >>>>>> Road shows? >>>>>> >>>>>> More White Papers? >>>>>> >>>>>> An Informix Magazine? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bumper Stickers? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kiosk/Appliance PCs with Informix pre-installed? >>>>>> >>>>>> Redbooks? >>>>>> >>>>>> Boat Races? >>>>>> >>>>>> Press Releases? >>>>> Convince C-level management that it isn't a path without a future. >>>>> Right now it is impossible to view it as more viable than Sybase. >>>>> Most business owners are looking at the list of major app vendors >>>>> ... SAP ... Ok, eBusiness Suite (Oracle), PeopleSoft (Oracle), >>>>> JD Edwards (Oracle), Siebel (Oracle), and thinking ... why? >>>>> >>>>> And Informix is not the only product where the question is asked. >>>>> I think if one approaches it objectively, dispassionately, one >>>>> can reasonably conclude that it is too late. A world in which the >>>>> market is split between Oracle and Microsoft is not that hard to >>>>> envision. >>>> In it's best of times did Informix ever hit past %5 of the market? >>> >>> In its best of times, Informix was as big as Oracle. >>> >> Maybe on some levels, like sales, for what, maybe 1 year. > >Most of the 1980's. Much longer than a year. > >> The biggest marketing opportunity ever for >> Informix, the Linux market, was squandered by people who didn't >> even know their own product line. > >You are Tim Schaefer and I claim my #5. Tim's back????? JWC