RE: {Spam?} RE: Is Open Office dying?
Not a technical support thread at all — it's an off-topic flame war that drifted from "Is OpenOffice dying?" into whether IDS would fare better than MySQL as an open-source project. One participant argued the database market is effectively down to Oracle and SQL Server, posting Dice.com job-count figures showing Informix near the bottom; others countered that the Oracle counts were inflated by application (Siebel, PeopleSoft, Hyperion) listings, and accused him of being an Oracle shill. The exchange degenerated into insults and boasts about cars. No technical problem is posed and no resolution is recorded.
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> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:38:08 +0000 > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com > CC: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: {Spam?} RE: Is Open Office dying? > > This is why IDS, sans marketing, has a better future as MySQL as an OS > > project. > > I'm feeling a little slow today, IBM is doing a cracking job of > developing IDS, the one thing they are doing right, so we should chuck > it out into the wild and let a bunch of college students take over the > development. And then someone else will come along and buy it. > > Dude, really, what the fuck? > There was a *small* typo. Sorry for the confusion let me rephrase what I said: This is why IDS, sans marketing, has a better future than MySQL as an OS project. Does this make more sense? :-) _________________________________________________________________ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > There was a *small* typo. Sorry for the confusion let me rephrase what I > said: > > This is why IDS, sans marketing, has a better future than MySQL as an > OS project. > > Does this make more sense? > :-) No. The database wars are over. There are 2.5 products left in the marketplace. DBAs and developers don't buy database software. Software is purchased by CTOs and CIOs whose criteria are substantially more robust than "what was good a decade ago." You can whip yourself into a foaming frenzy but you're not going to get as large a piece of the market as has Sybase. Dice Jobs Available Worldwide As Of 12/29/2008 Oracle 11,886 SQL Server 8,764 DB2 1,806 MySQL 1,548 Sybase 852 COBOL 685 Pick 213 RPG 202 PostgreSQL 170 Informix 154 FoxPro 47 rbd 30 Algol 6 Happy New Year. You're hanging in there ahead of FoxPro. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > > Happy New Year. You're hanging in there ahead of FoxPro. Happy New Year. You're still driving a Lada, and I'm driving a Rolls. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
DA Morgan wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > >> There was a *small* typo. Sorry for the confusion let me rephrase what >> I said: >> >> This is why IDS, sans marketing, has a better future than MySQL as an >> OS project. >> >> Does this make more sense? >> :-) > > No. The database wars are over. There are 2.5 products left in the > marketplace. > > DBAs and developers don't buy database software. Software is purchased > by CTOs and CIOs whose criteria are substantially more robust than > "what was good a decade ago." You can whip yourself into a foaming > frenzy but you're not going to get as large a piece of the market as > has Sybase. > > Dice Jobs Available Worldwide As Of 12/29/2008 > Oracle 11,886 > SQL Server 8,764 > DB2 1,806 > MySQL 1,548 > Sybase 852 > COBOL 685 > Pick 213 > RPG 202 > PostgreSQL 170 > Informix 154 > FoxPro 47 > rbd 30 > Algol 6 > > Happy New Year. You're hanging in there ahead of FoxPro. Just for the record, in case someone may take you seriously, this is a database newsgroup and mos of the "jobs" on Dice.com for "Oracle" are for Oracle applications.... Just check the first pages... Also... check: "oracle siebel" - 1102 "oracle weblogic" - 834 "oracle hyperion" - 820 "oracle jd edwards" - 832 "oracle peoplesoft" - 1450 "oracle dba" - 1515 (less than db2?! and less than MySQL?) This (d)nice searches tell us a lot about dice.com and about you too... Once again trying to throw sand into people eyes... typical... useless in my view, but we all know we can count on you for that. Meanwhile "word" and "excel" are very good employment opportunities. Regards, Fernando Nunes, AKA "End of fun" an Snore. At least Mark is funny (after drinking some alcohol) -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:01:25 -0800 > From: damorgan@psoug.org > Subject: Re: {Spam?} RE: Is Open Office dying? > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > No. The database wars are over. There are 2.5 products left in the > marketplace. > Silly boy. Seems you shouldn't give up your day job as an Oracle shill. I guess nobody ever told you about the slew of products out there. Maybe someone running Progress or Sybase should be-itch slap you for ignoring their existence. And to think that the clown admitted to owning a Rolls. Anybody know how much the usage fee is these days? (I'm talking about London's Congestion Zone 'tax') _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: >> >> Happy New Year. You're hanging in there ahead of FoxPro. > > Happy New Year. You're still driving a Lada, and I'm driving a Rolls. Actually I split my time between an XJ6 and a 320SL. One of the benefits of working with a successful RDBMS. <g> But I am glad to hear about your rolls. What do you do when it gets to the bottom of the hill? -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> DA Morgan wrote: >>> Happy New Year. You're hanging in there ahead of FoxPro. >> Happy New Year. You're still driving a Lada, and I'm driving a Rolls. > > Actually I split my time between an XJ6 and a 320SL. One of the > benefits of working with a successful RDBMS. <g> One car that comes with lifetime membership to the RAC and one East African Taxi. The glamour is more than I can cope with. Da Organ tries to cock wave: epic fail. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > Silly boy. Seems you shouldn't give up your day job as an Oracle shill. > I guess nobody ever told you about the slew of products out there. > Maybe someone running Progress or Sybase should be-itch slap you for > ignoring their existence. Using your keen analytic skills again Gumby? Here is the list I posted: Oracle 11,886 SQL Server 8,764 DB2 1,806 MySQL 1,548 Sybase 852 <================ Look Here! COBOL 685 Pick 213 RPG 202 PostgreSQL 170 Informix 154 FoxPro 47 rbd 30 Algol 6 I also said ... "You can whip yourself into a foaming frenzy but you're not going to get as large a piece of the market as has Sybase." <====== That is hardly ignoring Sybase which has a substantially stronger place in the market than does Informix by almost any definition and has shown more growth in China, alone, than Informix has worldwide. Facts are so very unpopular. <g> -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > That is hardly ignoring Sybase which has a substantially stronger place > in the market than does Informix by almost any definition and has shown > more growth in China, alone, than Informix has worldwide. And you know this how, exactly? Have you got the numbers to substantiate this? > Facts are so very unpopular. <g> The irony is ... ironic. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
DA Morgan wrote: > Facts are so very unpopular. <g> Was that the reason why you ignored my post? Regards -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
> From: domusonline@gmail.com > Subject: Re: {Spam?} RE: Is Open Office dying? > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:03:07 +0000 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > DA Morgan wrote: > > > Facts are so very unpopular. <g> > > Was that the reason why you ignored my post? > Regards > Because you spoke an inconvenient truth. You outed him as a shill. He bundled all the jobs that said Oracle to imply Oracle DBA. Of course even then, when talking about Oracle, you have to specify either physical or logical DBA since it takes a lot of hand holding to keep Oracle up and running. (Oracle is a pig and doesn't handle resource deadlocking as well as other databases... like IDS) Mark T. may disagree, but I watched a machine fall over and have to be rebooted once a week because the client had too many instances of Oracle running. Now I'm not blaming Oracle, just that the client did something stupid and it took a month to get new hardware so they could remove the heavy load on the server. But getting back to Daniel... he claims he's not a shill, but yet he posts here with nothing to add to a conversation when talking about Informix. As to owning an XJ6, and an 360SL not too terribly difficult to do when you factor in the age of the car, the condition, and where you live. If he really wanted to do some cock waving he should have gotten an H1 Hummer. If he wanted to really show how advanced he was, he should have converted it to an electric hybrid putting electric motors in the wheels, removing the transmission and use that area for the batteries, shrunk the engine to a smaller more efficient turbo diesel and generator. If he wanted to be an uber cock waver, he could replace the skin with carbon fiber components to reduce the weight and maybe put some solar panels on the roof. Then, maybe then, I'd have respect for the tosser. And why an H1? Because its a serious work horse and frankly an electric Frankenstein vehicle would wipe the smugness off of those Prius driver's faces. Yet I digress. -G _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008