Re: {Spam?} RE: The funny thing about numbers is that they're just numbers...
Not a technical problem thread but a pricing/licensing argument: whether IDS support really costs less than Oracle, SQL Server, MySQL and PostgreSQL for small-to-medium businesses. Obnoxio posts five-year figures for a single-CPU Intel box (IDS Express ~$5175 licence + $1035/yr support, vs ~$2995/yr for MySQL/PostgreSQL support), while others counter with Oracle SE1 and SQL Server SE bundle prices, note Enterprise Edition would change the picture, and point out UK/EU prices are higher than US list. The exchange ends in anecdote and banter with no agreed conclusion or resolution recorded.
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Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:48:32 +0100 > > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > Subject: Re: The funny thing about numbers is that they're just > numbers... > > > > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > > > the support license costs are much less than those of IBM or Oracle.) > > > > Are you absolutely sure of that? > > > > OTC, yeah I'm sure. Unless you're also including certain very large > customers who qualify for J level discount and then negotiate a 90% > discount on top of that. > > But that's not the market that we're talking about. We're talking > about the SMB customer who at best could get a 20-25% discount from list. > > You can check the prices and maintenance renewal. Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use to me.) MySQL is also $2995 for support. IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) So, for a five year period: PostgreSQL: $14975 MySQL: $14975 IDS: $9315 And that's list. And pretty SMB. -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:48:32 +0100 >> > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com >> > To: informix-list@iiug.org >> > Subject: Re: The funny thing about numbers is that they're just >> numbers... >> > >> > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> > > >> > > the support license costs are much less than those of IBM or Oracle.) >> > >> > Are you absolutely sure of that? >> > >> >> OTC, yeah I'm sure. Unless you're also including certain very large >> customers who qualify for J level discount and then negotiate a 90% >> discount on top of that. >> >> But that's not the market that we're talking about. We're talking >> about the SMB customer who at best could get a 20-25% discount from list. >> >> You can check the prices and maintenance renewal. > Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): > Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 > per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use > to me.) > MySQL is also $2995 for support. > IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the > wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) > > So, for a five year period: > > PostgreSQL: $14975 > MySQL: $14975 > IDS: $9315 > > And that's list. And pretty SMB. And if IDS were free one might use your numbers as an argument in its favor: Alas it is not. Why don't you put up all of the relevant numbers? Let's see: Oracle SE1 $7,076 with support. SQL Server SE $5,999 with support. Really whipping them into a frenzy there OTC. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
On Aug 29, 2:36 pm, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:48:32 +0100 > > > From: obno...@serendipita.com > > > To: informix-l...@iiug.org > > > Subject: Re: The funny thing about numbers is that they're just > > numbers... > > > > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > > the support license costs are much less than those of IBM or Oracle.) > > > > Are you absolutely sure of that? > > > OTC, yeah I'm sure. Unless you're also including certain very large > > customers who qualify for J level discount and then negotiate a 90% > > discount on top of that. > > > But that's not the market that we're talking about. We're talking > > about the SMB customer who at best could get a 20-25% discount from list. > > > You can check the prices and maintenance renewal. > > Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): > Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 > per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use > to me.) > MySQL is also $2995 for support. > IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the > wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) > > So, for a five year period: > > PostgreSQL: $14975 > MySQL: $14975 > IDS: $9315 > > And that's list. And pretty SMB. > > -- > Cheers, > Obnoxio the Clown > > http://obotheclown.blogspot.com Try IDS Enterprise Edition then get back to me. Sure MySQL doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but some of the supported versions of Postgress... And thats the point.
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Aug 29, 2:36 pm, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> >> >>>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:48:32 +0100 >>>> From: obno...@serendipita.com >>>> To: informix-l...@iiug.org >>>> Subject: Re: The funny thing about numbers is that they're just >>>> >>> numbers... >>> >>>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>>> >>>>> the support license costs are much less than those of IBM or Oracle.) >>>>> >>>> Are you absolutely sure of that? >>>> >>> OTC, yeah I'm sure. Unless you're also including certain very large >>> customers who qualify for J level discount and then negotiate a 90% >>> discount on top of that. >>> >>> But that's not the market that we're talking about. We're talking >>> about the SMB customer who at best could get a 20-25% discount from list. >>> >>> You can check the prices and maintenance renewal. >>> >> Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): >> Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 >> per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use >> to me.) >> MySQL is also $2995 for support. >> IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the >> wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) >> >> So, for a five year period: >> >> PostgreSQL: $14975 >> MySQL: $14975 >> IDS: $9315 >> >> And that's list. And pretty SMB. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Obnoxio the Clown >> >> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com >> > > Try IDS Enterprise Edition then get back to me. > Sure MySQL doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but some of the > supported versions of Postgress... > > And thats the point. > Well, yeah, but the guy I looked at for PostgreSQL support charged extra for any funny uses. And anyway, does a SMB need all the EE features? Plus, the sites I've picked up that migrated of PostgreSQL onto IDS have shown that PostgreSQL has some "interesting design considerations". By the time you factor in all the fucking around you need to do anything substantial, I'd say the argument is still in IDS's favour. -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
DA Morgan wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> >>> >>>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:48:32 +0100 >>>> From: obnoxio@serendipita.com >>>> To: informix-list@iiug.org >>>> Subject: Re: The funny thing about numbers is that they're just >>>> >>> numbers... >>> >>>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>>> >>>>> the support license costs are much less than those of IBM or Oracle.) >>>>> >>>> Are you absolutely sure of that? >>>> >>>> >>> OTC, yeah I'm sure. Unless you're also including certain very large >>> customers who qualify for J level discount and then negotiate a 90% >>> discount on top of that. >>> >>> But that's not the market that we're talking about. We're talking >>> about the SMB customer who at best could get a 20-25% discount from list. >>> >>> You can check the prices and maintenance renewal. >>> >> Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): >> Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 >> per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use >> to me.) >> MySQL is also $2995 for support. >> IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the >> wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) >> >> So, for a five year period: >> >> PostgreSQL: $14975 >> MySQL: $14975 >> IDS: $9315 >> >> And that's list. And pretty SMB. >> > > And if IDS were free one might use your numbers as an argument in its > favor: Alas it is not. Why don't you put up all of the relevant numbers? > > Let's see: > Oracle SE1 $7,076 with support. > SQL Server SE $5,999 with support. > > Really whipping them into a frenzy there OTC. > IDS is, indeed, not free, which is why the licensing cost is in my price of $9315: $5175 license + $4140 for 5 years' support. Perhaps one of your fellow "professors" can help you with a little remedial math? For $7076, you can use "pass the eyeball fork" Oracle and piss out a load more in rack space for the manuals and H1B visas for DBAs, or for $5999, you can get the pleasure of Microsoft support and Windows lock in. For $9315, you get to use Informix. In much the same way that I continue to spend over the odds for a BMW rather than a perfectly serviceable Kia Picanto, I will continue to work with Informix, thanks. -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > In much the same way that I continue to spend over the odds for a BMW > rather than a perfectly serviceable Kia Picanto, I will continue to work > with Informix, thanks. > Nice that you actually found work with Informix products. I do like your comparison shopping though, nice to see Informix as less expensive. Too bad you don't have that one on your blog, that would be a great topic. The technical stuff is nice but you actually have to have an Informix database to take advantage. Might be instructive to talk about the cost savings vs the competition.
In article <iuZtk.242$2D6.232@fe170.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says... > >Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >> In much the same way that I continue to spend over the odds for a BMW >> rather than a perfectly serviceable Kia Picanto, I will continue to work >> with Informix, thanks. >> >Nice that you actually found work with Informix products. > >I do like your comparison shopping though, nice to see Informix as less >expensive. Too bad you don't have that one on your blog, that would be >a great topic. The technical stuff is nice but you actually have to have >an Informix database to take advantage. Might be instructive to talk about >the cost savings vs the competition. >
Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message news:mailman.1641.1220042122.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... >>> Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): >>> Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 >>> per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use >>> to me.) >>> MySQL is also $2995 for support. >>> IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the >>> wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) > IDS is, indeed, not free, which is why the licensing cost is in my price > of $9315: $5175 license + $4140 for 5 years' supp ... $5,175 is the price for US customers, so no bloody use to me. Here in Blighty you'd pay $6,591 + $6,584 for another 5 years' support at today's exchange rate.
On Aug 29, 7:44 pm, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@ardenta.com> wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown" <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote in messagenews:mailman.1641.1220042122.20610.informix-list@iiug.org... > > >>> Assuming a single-CPU Intel box (which isn't entirely unreasonable): > >>> Picking a PostgreSQL support vendor at random, I got a price of $2995 > >>> per annum for support. (Plus the bastard is in the US, so no bloody use > >>> to me.) > >>> MySQL is also $2995 for support. > >>> IDS Express Edition is $1035 for support. (Plus I get to speak to the > >>> wonderful, patient and mild-mannered Big Potatoe!) > > IDS is, indeed, not free, which is why the licensing cost is in my price > > of $9315: $5175 license + $4140 for 5 years' supp ... > > $5,175 is the price for US customers, so no bloody use to me. > Here in Blighty you'd pay $6,591 + $6,584 for another 5 years' support at > today's exchange rate. Well why don't you let the BP or EU dollar drop against the US currency? We're cheaper than you blokes so come and visit the US and spend your tourist dollars. :-) In the end it will even out and we'll all be living like third world countries...