Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases

Just out of curiosity, but what exactly are you going to do if you are wrong? I mean since you guarantee it? ----- Original Message ---- From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> To: informix-list@iiug.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:34:37 PM Subject: Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases I guarantee this, please save this message for next month. Here's what's going to happen. IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month, followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING! Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release, within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally overshadow anything IDS had. I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they release it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no excitement, no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT. Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions about the product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned over IDS. It's OVER before it ever got started. I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING! Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh! -t- Fernando Nunes wrote: > Tool wrote: >> Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once >> again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will get, >> almost deja vu all over again. >> >> Classic, truly classic. >> >> Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: >> >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That >> would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer >> performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the >> database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." >> >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same >> league, even with the new features. >> >> Neil Truby wrote: >>> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message >>> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 >>>> (Cheetah) published. >>>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases that >>>> I've discovered: >>>> >>>> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press >>> >>> Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. >>> >> > > If I'm allowed a few comments...: > - What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press > releases I think... > - We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next release > - Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference... > - There are plans in place for more > - Support is really working to improve customer experience. I never saw > nothing like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was sending a > colleague some links (most of them external) with lot's of > information... He just kept saying "wow... where did you get all this?". > The answer is: These guys are producing info like never before :) > > So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very > limited and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet most of > them wouldn't read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand > when I send them the papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they tell me: > Great! That's what I was looking for! > > Regards. > _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list

:-) Good question! I don't know!! -t- Mark Jamison wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, but what exactly are you going to do if you are > wrong? > I mean since you guarantee it? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:34:37 PM > Subject: Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases > > I guarantee this, please save this message for next month. > > Here's what's going to happen. > > IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month, > followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING! > > Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release, > within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb > trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go > with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally overshadow > anything IDS had. > > I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they release > it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no > excitement, > no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT. > > Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions about the > product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned over IDS. > > It's OVER before it ever got started. > > I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING! > > Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh! > > -t- > > Fernando Nunes wrote: > > Tool wrote: > >> Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once > >> again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will get, > >> almost deja vu all over again. > >> > >> Classic, truly classic. > >> > >> Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: > >> > >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain > >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That > >> would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer > >> performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the > >> database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." > >> > >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, > >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same > >> league, even with the new features. > >> > >> Neil Truby wrote: > >>> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message > >>> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >>>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 > >>>> (Cheetah) published. > >>>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases that > >>>> I've discovered: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press > >>> > >>> Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. > >>> > >> > > > > If I'm allowed a few comments...: > > - What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press > > releases I think... > > - We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next release > > - Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference... > > - There are plans in place for more > > - Support is really working to improve customer experience. I never saw > > nothing like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was sending a > > colleague some links (most of them external) with lot's of > > information... He just kept saying "wow... where did you get all this?". > > The answer is: These guys are producing info like never before :) > > > > So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very > > limited and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet most of > > them wouldn't read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand > > when I send them the papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they tell me: > > Great! That's what I was looking for! > > > > Regards. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >

Timmy, You've been asking for a free version of IDS to play with. Take the IDS 11.10 beta. That should have all of the components. You can now play with it. If you want support cough up the $800 USD. And thats for all the internal use stuff from IBM's SWG. With your bet, I wouldn't make such a bet. After the initial PR (today) there will probably be a bit of a lull between now and the GA release. Lets face it, some of these guys have been on the road for several weeks straight. Also its the end of the qtr. So people will go back to focusing on how to help the sales team and BPs close deals. But then there's July. I'll wager after the 5th, things will pick up. As to Oracle? Their FY ends this month. Lots of hooplah there. And then there will be a lull. Of course with Oracle, its all smoke and mirrors. >From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> >:-) > >Good question! > >I don't know!! > >-t- > >Mark Jamison wrote: > > > > Just out of curiosity, but what exactly are you going to do if you are > > wrong? > > I mean since you guarantee it? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:34:37 PM > > Subject: Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases > > > > I guarantee this, please save this message for next month. > > > > Here's what's going to happen. > > > > IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month, > > followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING! > > > > Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release, > > within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb > > trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go > > with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally >overshadow > > anything IDS had. > > > > I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they >release > > it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no > > excitement, > > no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT. > > > > Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions about >the > > product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned over >IDS. > > > > It's OVER before it ever got started. > > > > I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING! > > > > Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh! > > > > -t- > > > > Fernando Nunes wrote: > > > Tool wrote: > > >> Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once > > >> again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will >get, > > >> almost deja vu all over again. > > >> > > >> Classic, truly classic. > > >> > > >> Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: > > >> > > >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain > > >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That > > >> would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer > > >> performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the > > >> database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." > > >> > > >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, > > >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same > > >> league, even with the new features. > > >> > > >> Neil Truby wrote: > > >>> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message > > >>> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > >>>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 > > >>>> (Cheetah) published. > > >>>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases >that > > >>>> I've discovered: > > >>>> > > >>>> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press > > >>> > > >>> Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > If I'm allowed a few comments...: > > > - What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press > > > releases I think... > > > - We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next >release > > > - Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference... > > > - There are plans in place for more > > > - Support is really working to improve customer experience. I never >saw > > > nothing like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was >sending a > > > colleague some links (most of them external) with lot's of > > > information... He just kept saying "wow... where did you get all >this?". > > > The answer is: These guys are producing info like never before :) > > > > > > So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very > > > limited and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet most of > > > them wouldn't read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand > > > when I send them the papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they tell >me: > > > Great! That's what I was looking for! > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Informix-list mailing list > > Informix-list@iiug.org > > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > > >_______________________________________________ >Informix-list mailing list >Informix-list@iiug.org >http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ Don't miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0540003042mrt/direct/01/

Thanks Gumpy. By the way, it's a matter of principle at this point. I pay for a lot of software that I use to develop applications with. But on this one I feel that if I can get Oracle without a timebomb, and SQL-Server, and Sybase, and MySQL, then by golly, I should be able to get the same for Informix. I shouldn't have to pay doodly squat for the software that I'm ultimately going to promote --FOR FREE-- for IBM. It's a win-win for IBM. The stakes are high for IBM, but they apparently want to work from the top down, instead of the ground up, in how they approach the database market. What they are missing is the biggest market, and the biggest market driver, the smaller shops and smaller developer operations that actually bubble up into the larger organizations and larger sales. One developer who can shout about the product is worth more than any sales rep coming in and trying to blow smoke with a powerpoint slide. So, I thought a lot about this one. I am really certain that IBM will bungle the next month, not only misunderstanding what Oracle is doing, but the other players out there as well, simply because they will be going after a few big fish, placate the status quo and forget the SMB market, even though Sam P. sez this is where he wants to go. Nobody is going after that market at IBM in reality, because of how the management structure works. Nobody is allowed to innovate on their own, that is tantamount to career suicide at IBM. The idea that they would have people instead of sychophants and robots in the game working with real developers is so contrary to how IBM works that IDS really doesn't stand a chance. Sorry to remain locked in a pessimistic mode, but statistics and probability are on my side. It's not eve a stretch at this point to predict what won't happen next. -t- Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > Timmy, > > You've been asking for a free version of IDS to play with. > Take the IDS 11.10 beta. That should have all of the components. > > You can now play with it. > > If you want support cough up the $800 USD. > And thats for all the internal use stuff from IBM's SWG. > > With your bet, I wouldn't make such a bet. After the initial PR (today) > there will probably be a bit of a lull between now and the GA release. > Lets face it, some of these guys have been on the road for several weeks > straight. Also its the end of the qtr. So people will go back to > focusing on how to help the sales team and BPs close deals. > > But then there's July. I'll wager after the 5th, things will pick up. > > As to Oracle? Their FY ends this month. Lots of hooplah there. And then > there will be a lull. > > Of course with Oracle, its all smoke and mirrors. > >> From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> >> :-) >> >> Good question! >> >> I don't know!! >> >> -t- >> >> Mark Jamison wrote: >> > >> > Just out of curiosity, but what exactly are you going to do if you are >> > wrong? >> > I mean since you guarantee it? >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> > From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> >> > To: informix-list@iiug.org >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:34:37 PM >> > Subject: Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases >> > >> > I guarantee this, please save this message for next month. >> > >> > Here's what's going to happen. >> > >> > IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month, >> > followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING! >> > >> > Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release, >> > within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb >> > trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go >> > with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally >> overshadow >> > anything IDS had. >> > >> > I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they >> release >> > it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no >> > excitement, >> > no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT. >> > >> > Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions >> about the >> > product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned >> over IDS. >> > >> > It's OVER before it ever got started. >> > >> > I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING! >> > >> > Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh! >> > >> > -t- >> > >> > Fernando Nunes wrote: >> > > Tool wrote: >> > >> Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, >> once >> > >> again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix >> will get, >> > >> almost deja vu all over again. >> > >> >> > >> Classic, truly classic. >> > >> >> > >> Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: >> > >> >> > >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain >> > >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? That >> > >> would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer >> > >> performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make the >> > >> database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." >> > >> >> > >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against >> Oracle, >> > >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the same >> > >> league, even with the new features. >> > >> >> > >> Neil Truby wrote: >> > >>> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message >> > >>> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> > >>>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 >> > >>>> (Cheetah) published. >> > >>>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press >> releases that >> > >>>> I've discovered: >> > >>>> >> > >>>> http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting. >> > >>> >> > >> >> > > >> > > If I'm allowed a few comments...: >> > > - What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press >> > > releases I think... >> > > - We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next >> release >> > > - Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference... >> > > - There are plans in place for more >> > > - Support is really working to improve customer experience. I >> never saw >> > > nothing like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was >> sending a >> > > colleague some links (most of them external) with lot's of >> > > information... He just kept saying "wow... where did you get all >> this?". >> > > The answer is: These guys are producing info like never before :) >> > > >> > > So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very >> > > limited and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet >> most of >> > > them wouldn't read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand >> > > when I send them the papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they >> tell me: >> > > Great! That's what I was looking for! >> > > >>

Timmy, You lost me here. Principal? What Principal? Other companies have "free" versions of their software that they seed the development community with. Sans support of course. And that is their choice. If you don't want to cough up the dough ($800) for IBM's deal, don't. But IBM does have a developers program that is implemented SWG (SOFTWARE GROUP) wide. $800 is not a lot of money for *free* software and tech support. I've been involved in other developer programs and they were a lot more money. Remember that there is a cost associated with running a developers program. mysql isn't free. Maybe to play with, but if you deploy a production version of your app, you need to pay them. Don't believe that they won't come looking for you when it comes compliance time. So really, give the "free" thing a rest. You can always wait and use the IIUG version which will have most of the functionality you're looking for. >Thanks Gumpy. > >By the way, it's a matter of principle at this point. I pay for a lot of >software that I use to develop applications with. But on this one I feel >that if I can get Oracle without a timebomb, and SQL-Server, and Sybase, >and MySQL, then by golly, I should be able to get the same for Informix. >I shouldn't have to pay doodly squat for the software that I'm ultimately >going to promote --FOR FREE-- for IBM. It's a win-win for IBM. > >The stakes are high for IBM, but they apparently want to work from the top >down, instead of the ground up, in how they approach the database market. >What they are missing is the biggest market, and the biggest market driver, >the smaller shops and smaller developer operations that actually bubble up >into the larger organizations and larger sales. One developer who can >shout >about the product is worth more than any sales rep coming in and trying to >blow smoke with a powerpoint slide. > >So, I thought a lot about this one. I am really certain that IBM will >bungle the next month, not only misunderstanding what Oracle is doing, but >the other players out there as well, simply because they will be going >after >a few big fish, placate the status quo and forget the SMB market, even >though >Sam P. sez this is where he wants to go. Nobody is going after that market >at IBM in reality, because of how the management structure works. Nobody >is >allowed to innovate on their own, that is tantamount to career suicide at >IBM. > >The idea that they would have people instead of sychophants and robots in >the >game working with real developers is so contrary to how IBM works that IDS >really doesn't stand a chance. Sorry to remain locked in a pessimistic >mode, but statistics and probability are on my side. It's not eve a >stretch >at this point to predict what won't happen next. > >-t- > >Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > Timmy, > > > > You've been asking for a free version of IDS to play with. > > Take the IDS 11.10 beta. That should have all of the components. > > > > You can now play with it. > > > > If you want support cough up the $800 USD. > > And thats for all the internal use stuff from IBM's SWG. > > > > With your bet, I wouldn't make such a bet. After the initial PR (today) > > there will probably be a bit of a lull between now and the GA release. > > Lets face it, some of these guys have been on the road for several weeks > > straight. Also its the end of the qtr. So people will go back to > > focusing on how to help the sales team and BPs close deals. > > > > But then there's July. I'll wager after the 5th, things will pick up. > > > > As to Oracle? Their FY ends this month. Lots of hooplah there. And then > > there will be a lull. > > > > Of course with Oracle, its all smoke and mirrors. > > > >> From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> > >> :-) > >> > >> Good question! > >> > >> I don't know!! > >> > >> -t- > >> > >> Mark Jamison wrote: > >> > > >> > Just out of curiosity, but what exactly are you going to do if you >are > >> > wrong? > >> > I mean since you guarantee it? > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ---- > >> > From: Tool <tool@thetool.com> > >> > To: informix-list@iiug.org > >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:34:37 PM > >> > Subject: Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases > >> > > >> > I guarantee this, please save this message for next month. > >> > > >> > Here's what's going to happen. > >> > > >> > IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the >month, > >> > followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING! > >> > > >> > Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next >release, > >> > within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a >no-timebomb > >> > trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go > >> > with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally > >> overshadow > >> > anything IDS had. > >> > > >> > I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they > >> release > >> > it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no > >> > excitement, > >> > no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT. > >> > > >> > Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions > >> about the > >> > product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned > >> over IDS. > >> > > >> > It's OVER before it ever got started. > >> > > >> > I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING! > >> > > >> > Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh! > >> > > >> > -t- > >> > > >> > Fernando Nunes wrote: > >> > > Tool wrote: > >> > >> Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, > >> once > >> > >> again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix > >> will get, > >> > >> almost deja vu all over again. > >> > >> > >> > >> Classic, truly classic. > >> > >> > >> > >> Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end: > >> > >> > >> > >> "Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever >regain > >> > >> its ranking as one of the three major databases in the world? >That > >> > >> would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still >offer > >> > >> performance for certain transaction patterns, and thereby make >the > >> > >> database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed." > >> > >> > >> > >> Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against > >> Oracle, > >> > >> and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as not in the >same > >> > >> league, even with the new features. > >> > >> > >> > >> Neil Truby wrote: > >> > >>> < eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote in message > >> > >>> news:1181661603.116030.71060@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >> > >>>> Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1 > >> > >>>> (Cheetah) published. > >> > >>>> For those interested, here is a compilation of the press > >> releases that > >> > >>>> I've discovered: > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> http://www.i

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > But IBM does have a developers program that is implemented SWG (SOFTWARE > GROUP) wide. > $800 is not a lot of money for *free* software and tech support. I want some of what you've been drinking. You've got to be kidding. Why would someone pay $800 for what they can get from a competitor for a fraction of the cost. http://oraclestore.oracle.com/OA_HTML/ibeCZzpHome.jsp?minisite=10021&respid=22372&grp=STORE&language=US Scroll down to Oracle Standard Edition One Click on the drop down and choose "Named User Plus Perpetual." I see $149 and adding 15% for full support is still less than $200. Do the math. Your claim that it is less than what others charge does not compare well with reality. -- Daniel A. Morgan