Re: Informix beats Oracle
Andrew Ford wrote: >> "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message >> news:1182717682.503312@bubbleator.drizzle.com... >>> Fernando Nunes wrote: >>> >>>> I grant you that Oracle has several features that IDS doesn't. DB2 has >>>> features that IDS doesn't. XPS has features IDS doesn't. SQL Server >>>> probably has features IDS doesn't. And vice-versa. >>> Precisely. Every product distinguishes itself by its unique feature set. >> And the most unique feature IDS has is speed, specially OLTP speed. >> > > > No way, the most unique feature of IDS has to be stability. I have never > been a primary support contact for Oracle, UDB or SQL Server but I've worked > next to the guys and gals who are and have attended their weekly on call > meetings. There were a lot of problems that required engine bounces to > resolve issues while my engines were up for over 500+ consecutive days (and > there were a lot more IDS instances and a lot fewer IDS DBAs for that > matter.) > > Andrew Then one of two things. Either very old versions or incompetent DBAs. It is not BMW's fault if you buy one of their cars and are a lousy driver. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Wasn't there a survey of 265 Independent Oracle User Group members commisioned by the IOUG floating around last year that stated: However, a new survey of Oracle database sites find that close to nine out of 10 have experienced significant amounts of unplanned downtime over the past year, arising from infrastructure, application, and database issues. In some cases, these outages totaled more than 24 hours over a 12-month period. Along with unexpected problems, there were also times when databases needed to be intentionally powered down for maintenance or upgrade work. One out of four companies report that their systems were down more than 24 hours for planned downtime. Oh yeah. Here it is, http://www.ioug.org/IOUGExecSumNo2-v4.pdf Is it possible that almost 90% of the Oracle DBAs out there are incompetent? Maybe. Incompetence can be an excuse for a poorly configured instance and poor performance but I do not think you can blame engine failures and most downtime on DBA incompetence. Your engine should just run no matter how bad your DBA is. At least that is what the Informix community has come to expect from their engines. Most of us in this group work with 24/7/366 environments and can not accept downtime. What are your uptime requirements for the instances you manage? Fall 2007 MWF 6:00-7:00? As for the very old version comment. Are you saying the older versions of Oracle are not stable? In 3 years when we are having this same conversation around the release of Oracle 12k and IDS 12.2 and I bring up my 500+ days of uptime on 11.1 will you say something about 10g being an older version and that is why it fails? A lot of people around here still run 7.30 and 7.31 with some serious uptime numbers. Shoot, I have even stumbled accross a 5.0 Informix engine running with years of uptime that been forgotten about because it never failed and never needed any attention. Andrew IBM Informix Dynamic Server - It works all the time so I don't have to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix To: <informix-list@iiug.org> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Informix beats Oracle > Andrew Ford wrote: >>> "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message >>> news:1182717682.503312@bubbleator.drizzle.com... >>>> Fernando Nunes wrote: >>>> >>>>> I grant you that Oracle has several features that IDS doesn't. DB2 has >>>>> features that IDS doesn't. XPS has features IDS doesn't. SQL Server >>>>> probably has features IDS doesn't. And vice-versa. >>>> Precisely. Every product distinguishes itself by its unique feature >>>> set. >>> And the most unique feature IDS has is speed, specially OLTP speed. >>> >> >> >> No way, the most unique feature of IDS has to be stability. I have never >> been a primary support contact for Oracle, UDB or SQL Server but I've >> worked >> next to the guys and gals who are and have attended their weekly on call >> meetings. There were a lot of problems that required engine bounces to >> resolve issues while my engines were up for over 500+ consecutive days >> (and >> there were a lot more IDS instances and a lot fewer IDS DBAs for that >> matter.) >> >> Andrew > > Then one of two things. Either very old versions or incompetent DBAs. > > It is not BMW's fault if you buy one of their cars and are a lousy driver. > -- > Daniel A. Morgan > University of Washington > damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
Andrew Ford wrote: > Is it possible that almost 90% of the Oracle DBAs out there are incompetent? I think the 80/20 rule applies here. Just as with everything else. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message news:1182820887.935293@bubbleator.drizzle.com... > Andrew Ford wrote: > >> Is it possible that almost 90% of the Oracle DBAs out there are >> incompetent? > > I think the 80/20 rule applies here. > > Just as with everything else. does 80/20 apply in universities also? Which one you belong?
>From: DA Morgan <damorgan@psoug.org> > > > Is it possible that almost 90% of the Oracle DBAs out there are >incompetent? > >I think the 80/20 rule applies here. > >Just as with everything else. Now is that 80% incompetent and 20% lazy or vice-a-versa ;-) Hey Daniel, ever hear of a guy named Don Bales? _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2