Re: Gary Speaks!
Not a technical problem thread but a discussion/opinion exchange. The question raised was whether the new IDS Warehouse Feature/bundle simply folds XPS's data-warehouse capabilities into IDS. Answers: no — Art Kagel and Ian Gumby said XPS features are only being merged case by case, and Fernando Nunes clarified the Warehouse Feature is mainly ETL tooling, though XPS-derived items (MERGE improvements, light scans, external tables) had appeared in 11.50.xC6 with more expected later. Side discussion on why IDS benchmarks aren't published noted Oracle's licence forbids publishing comparison results. No fix or action item resulted.
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On Feb 5, 9:12 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: < SNIP > > > You take the features of XPS and add them to IDS, you'll crush DB2. Informix didn't know how to sell extensibility, nor does IBM or Oracle for that matter. That doesn't mean that it can't be done, just that no one provided the proper motivation or sales/marketing strategy. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ Mmmm... isn't the new IDS Warehouse Feature/Bundle meant to do exactly that? I mean add the XPS capabilities onto IDS? Well, that and crush DB2?
Nope. Unfortunately. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference April 25-28, 2010 Overland Park (Kansas City), KS www.iiug.org/conf Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, fandelau <fandelau@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 5, 9:12 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > < SNIP > > > > > You take the features of XPS and add them to IDS, you'll crush DB2. > Informix didn't know how to sell extensibility, nor does IBM or Oracle for > that matter. That doesn't mean that it can't be done, just that no one > provided the proper motivation or sales/marketing strategy. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ > > Mmmm... isn't the new IDS Warehouse Feature/Bundle meant to do exactly > that? I mean add the XPS capabilities onto IDS? Well, that and crush > DB2? > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >
> From: fandelau@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Gary Speaks! > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:09:37 -0800 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > On Feb 5, 9:12 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > < SNIP > > > > > You take the features of XPS and add them to IDS, you'll crush DB2. Informix didn't know how to sell extensibility, nor does IBM or Oracle for that matter. That doesn't mean that it can't be done, just that no one provided the proper motivation or sales/marketing strategy. > > > Mmmm... isn't the new IDS Warehouse Feature/Bundle meant to do exactly > that? I mean add the XPS capabilities onto IDS? Well, that and crush > DB2? Not all of XPS's feature/functionality is getting put in to IDS. At least I was told that its on a 'case by case' basis. As to crushing DB2, Oracle, etc ... If a tree falls in the woods and there was no one around, does the tree still scream? ;-) The point is that if you create a superior version of IDS that can crush the competition, what happens if no one knows about it? Sure all of the engineers get paid and slap each other on the back, but in the end, no one outside of the company knows it exists. You don't see benchmarks of IDS. Why? Because it would be embarassing to DB2 when IDS blows their numbers away. All you end up doing is creating FUD for Oracle's benefit. You won't see a TPC-E benchmark because the hardware vendors don't want one. They want to keep the environments the same so that they can keep the focus just on the hardware. IDS is just the IT industry's dirty little secret. Its like the proverbial 'fat chick' or moped. Fun to ride, but just don't let your friends see you... ;-) IDS isn't cool or hip like MySQL. Its just something that works and works well. There are a couple of areas where IDS outshines the competition. One is extensibility, the other is HA/HDR/ER. I'm sure there are others, but if no one understand the value of extensibility, IBM can't capitalize on it. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/
"Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.571.1265840660.6236.informix-list@iiug.org... >> You don't see benchmarks of IDS. Why? Because it would be embarassing to >> DB2 when IDS blows their numbers away. What stops interested Informix BPs creating their own benchmarks? For sure, TPC ones are vastly expensive, but an IDS/Oracle/DB2 comparison under various loads on some fairly basic Linux kit wouldn't be too difficult to do. I see two difficulties myself right away: 1. How would get anyone interested in publishing the results? 2. Would this breach some IBM/Oracle privacy software usage and/or agreements? Any others?
Orables license agreement specifically prohibits publishing benchmark results! Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference April 25-28, 2010 Overland Park (Kansas City), KS www.iiug.org/conf Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Bunting <ant@ntlworld.com> wrote: > "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:mailman.571.1265840660.6236.informix-list@iiug.org... > > >> You don't see benchmarks of IDS. Why? Because it would be embarassing to > >> DB2 when IDS blows their numbers away. > > What stops interested Informix BPs creating their own benchmarks? For > sure, > TPC ones are vastly expensive, but an IDS/Oracle/DB2 comparison under > various loads on some fairly basic Linux kit wouldn't be too difficult to > do. > > I see two difficulties myself right away: > > 1. How would get anyone interested in publishing the results? > 2. Would this breach some IBM/Oracle privacy software usage and/or > agreements? > > Any others? > > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >
On Feb 10, 2:24 pm, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: < SNIP > > > IDS is just the IT industry's dirty little secret. Its like the proverbial 'fat chick' or moped. Fun to ride, but just don't let your friends see you... ;-) > < SNIP > ROFLMAO!!!
fandelau wrote: > On Feb 5, 9:12 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > < SNIP > >> You take the features of XPS and add them to IDS, you'll crush DB2. Informix didn't know how to sell extensibility, nor does IBM or Oracle for that matter. That doesn't mean that it can't be done, just that no one provided the proper motivation or sales/marketing strategy. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ > > Mmmm... isn't the new IDS Warehouse Feature/Bundle meant to do exactly > that? I mean add the XPS capabilities onto IDS? Well, that and crush > DB2? IDS Warehouse Feature is mainly some extra components that allow you to build an ETL infra-structure. This is what it *is currently*. Nevertheless it takes advantage (and will do so more in the future) of some new IDS features (compression and MERGE for example). IBM is in fact porting some XPS features into IDS. 11.50.xC6 already includes some (MERGE improvements, Light scans improvement, external tables...). It's expectable to see more in the future (Panther closed beta anyone?). I currently either don't know (mostly) or can't talk about new features. But keep an eye on the next release(s). Regards.
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