RE: IBM-Sun takeover talks 'collapse'
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:34:15 +0100 > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: IBM-Sun takeover talks 'collapse' > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/08/sun_bonuses_ibm/ > > So, I'm guessing Schwartz won't be heading up IBM, then. :o> > He never would have lasted more than 6 months at IBM, nor would McNealy. That's why they wanted an exit package of 3 times their annual salary. That would be how long it would take for them to land something elsewhere, and it wasn't an unreasonable package. Sorry but the reg reporter is way off on this article. I mean way off. The only thing that he may have right is that IBM is probably still talking to Sun. If you read in between the lines, and if you accept that the reporter got some facts straight, then why would IBM be buying Sun if they were going to toss out everything that wasn't profitable? Hint: They wouldn't but you still have to ask yourself why *are* they interested in Sun in the first place... The answer is that IBM needs Sun if it wants to keep churning out record profits and growth. Note the key word is *need*. Oh and in case you missed it, the *irony* is that Sun's Schwartz did what Timmy and many Open Source pundits have been demanding of IBM and other companies, such brilliance. In addition, its also ironic that such a secret deal is so well known. ;-) On a side note, we know that Cisco embeds Informix IDS in to some of their solutions. Where does Java fit into the scheme of things? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009
"Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.508.1239236445.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... >> On a side note, we know that Cisco embeds Informix IDS in to some of >> their solutions. Where does Java fit into the scheme of things? Yes, we know that from all the advertising and PR that IBM does about it. No, hang on .....
> From: theharlequin36@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: IBM-Sun takeover talks 'collapse' > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:15:01 +0100 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:mailman.508.1239236445.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... > > >> On a side note, we know that Cisco embeds Informix IDS in to some of > >> their solutions. Where does Java fit into the scheme of things? > > Yes, we know that from all the advertising and PR that IBM does about it. > No, hang on ..... > LOL... I know... There's a couple of things... when a partner company embeds IDS in to their products, I'm not sure that an accurate license count occurs. Perhaps there is something like a units of X shipped, but those numbers tend to be quiet because the partner company supports IDS for *their* customers and maybe purchases a premiere/premium services from IBM to back fill their team. I mean with the 'demise' of moto, it could theoretically hurt IBM's IDS numbers, yet we wouldn't know. With respect to Cisco, there is some minimum PR because one of the DBAs (manager too?) frequently attends IIUG/IOD events. I believe she was also a speaker at an event? Stuart knows who I'm thinking of.... ;-) But I digress. The point was that Cisco just announced their new entry in to the rackable server market. Since they own Linksys on the low end, Cisco pretty much *is* the first name when it comes to networking. There are other players but Cisco is king in Voip and managed networking solutions. (Ok Asterix has the small offices where Cisco is too expensive...) The fact that Cisco wants server products and Sun has the hardware and OS that they need. Cisco has the marketing and sales. Software wise, it would be interesting. Cisco would have a stronger voice in the JCP which would be helpful to Cisco in terms of new features. So the tools could be still floated as free and they could have a positive impact on JavaDB. The other dark horse is Apple. But that one is more interesting and less likely. Jobs has always maintained that he wanted to control the hardware so that he could control the quality of the user's experience. It also made manufacturing and maintenance easier. He did this with Apple, then NeXT and back at Apple. Jobs also is in bed with Intel, no longer supporting the powerPC line from IBM. A purchase of Sun would 'upset the apple cart' with Intel and would suggest that Apple would look towards Rock for their servers and high end workstations. (Depending on its performance.) Mac OS/X is essentailly Mach and while its been 10 years since I played with NeXTStep, Mach's micro kernel architecture could do very nicely on Rock. What makes this a hard pill for Apple to swallow, would be that it could upset Intel, it would be an indication of Jobs retiring, and that his sucessor (most likely Cook) would want to expand in to the business marketplace. One of Job's direct reports has had experience that would be beneficial and can make this happen. Apple too would do well to have a seat at the JCP table. It would be a good balance to IBM and Oracle. (Ok Cisco or Apple would be welcome as a key player in the JCP) Apple could also take advantage of Sun's software too. But I digress. If you look at Sun's stock, it dropped to around 6 and not back to 4 or below. Many think that the IBM deal isn't dead and that IBM is posturing. They're playing a game of chicken and hope that unlike Yahoo!, Sun caves and takes a cheaper price. The reason Sun can call IBM's bluff is that there are a couple of companies that could take Sun over and make it work. Also IBM needs Sun more than they are willing to admit. (Can you say 'white space'?) And with respect to your comment about marketing... you're right. When analysts and reporters still think DB2 when someone mentions IBM, someone isn't doing their job in communicating that IBM is more than just DB2. So when you see Inhi and Alyse, don't hold back. Your feedback is valuable and getting blasted by angry customers goes with the territory. HTH -G _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > From: theharlequin36@hotmail.com > > Subject: Re: IBM-Sun takeover talks 'collapse' > > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:15:01 +0100 > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > > > "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:mailman.508.1239236445.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... > > > > >> On a side note, we know that Cisco embeds Informix IDS in to some of > > >> their solutions. Where does Java fit into the scheme of things? > > > > Yes, we know that from all the advertising and PR that IBM does about > it. > > No, hang on ..... > > > > LOL... I know... > > There's a couple of things... when a partner company embeds IDS in to > their products, I'm not sure that an accurate license count occurs. > Perhaps there is something like a units of X shipped, but those numbers > tend to be quiet because the partner company supports IDS for *their* > customers and maybe purchases a premiere/premium services from IBM to > back fill their team. > > I mean with the 'demise' of moto, it could theoretically hurt IBM's IDS > numbers, yet we wouldn't know. > > With respect to Cisco, there is some minimum PR because one of the DBAs > (manager too?) frequently attends IIUG/IOD events. I believe she was > also a speaker at an event? Stuart knows who I'm thinking of.... ;-) > Maybe you're talking about this lady: http://www.ibmdatabasemag.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201200302 It's a very secret issue... nobody knows about it. Don't let others know! -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
> From: domusonline@gmail.com > > Maybe you're talking about this lady: > > http://www.ibmdatabasemag.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201200302 > > It's a very secret issue... nobody knows about it. Don't let others know! > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal Yes, its very secret. Didn't you know that it was part of IBM's 'stealth marketing campaign'? You're not supposed to tell anyone anything about Informix. Otherwise it wouldn't be considered "IBM's dirty little secret". Too bad that IBM has so many dirty little secrets that it gets confusing as to which ones we can openly talk about. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009