Re: Looking for Expert Opinion regarding Informix SE 7.x history and its future, if any
IB, Jonathan, that PN is mentioning that his applications haven't changed in many years and now they have need of a new report. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference April 25-28, 2010 Overland Park (Kansas City), KS www.iiug.org/conf Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Leffler <jleffler.iiug@gmail.com>wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:30, PN <ndphung@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am looking for someone with knowledge about Informix products, >> especially Standard Engine 7.x. >> We've been using this Informix engine for many years, and nothing has >> been added to it for 5 or 6 years already. >> > > There are no plans to change SE significantly. As it becomes necessary to > do ports to new operating system versions, that is likely to happen. > Otherwise, it is an archetypically stable product that just works. If it > meets your requirements, continue using it. If not, upgrade to IDS 11.50. > > -- > Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> > Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2008.0513 -- http://dbi.perl.org/ > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to be > amused." > NB: Please do not use this email for correspondence. > I don't necessarily read it every week, even. > Stephen Leacock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>; - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day > die, which is not so." > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > >
On Feb 17, 3:31 am, Art Kagel <art.ka...@gmail.com> wrote: > IB, Jonathan, that PN is mentioning that his applications haven't changed in > many years and now they have need of a new report. > > Art > > Art S. Kagel > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > IIUG Board of Directors (a...@iiug.org) > > See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference > April 25-28, 2010 > Overland Park (Kansas City), KSwww.iiug.org/conf > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and > do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other > organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by > inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals > affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the > entities themselves. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Leffler > <jleffler.i...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:30, PN <ndph...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I am looking for someone with knowledge about Informix products, > >> especially Standard Engine 7.x. > >> We've been using this Informix engine for many years, and nothing has > >> been added to it for 5 or 6 years already. > > > There are no plans to change SE significantly. As it becomes necessary to > > do ports to new operating system versions, that is likely to happen. > > Otherwise, it is an archetypically stable product that just works. If it > > meets your requirements, continue using it. If not, upgrade to IDS 11.50. > > > -- Sorry for all the confusion! This is what I am looking for: A short paper from someone who has intimate knowledge about Informix history since it was sold to IBM. The focus is on Informix SE 7.x, nothing else, since we have no budget for IDS. We need impartial opinion about the demise of SE 7, the failed attempt to port it to Linux, and what next for this particular engine.. I want a cool, impartial opinion about this product. I may not be impartial since I've been paying for maintenance and haven't received a single upgrade since ... when? Thanks PN > > Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> > > Email: jleff...@earthlink.net, jleff...@us.ibm.com > > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2008.0513 --http://dbi.perl.org/ > > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to be > > amused." > > NB: Please do not use this email for correspondence. > > I don't necessarily read it every week, even. > > Stephen Leacock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>; - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day > > die, which is not so." > > _______________________________________________ > > Informix-list mailing list > > Informix-l...@iiug.org > >http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
PN wrote: > On Feb 17, 3:31 am, Art Kagel <art.ka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> IB, Jonathan, that PN is mentioning that his applications haven't changed in >> many years and now they have need of a new report. >> >> Art >> >> Art S. Kagel >> Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) >> IIUG Board of Directors (a...@iiug.org) >> >> See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference >> April 25-28, 2010 >> Overland Park (Kansas City), KSwww.iiug.org/conf >> >> Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and >> do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other >> organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by >> inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals >> affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the >> entities themselves. >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Leffler >> <jleffler.i...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:30, PN <ndph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I am looking for someone with knowledge about Informix products, >>>> especially Standard Engine 7.x. >>>> We've been using this Informix engine for many years, and nothing has >>>> been added to it for 5 or 6 years already. >>> There are no plans to change SE significantly. As it becomes necessary to >>> do ports to new operating system versions, that is likely to happen. >>> Otherwise, it is an archetypically stable product that just works. If it >>> meets your requirements, continue using it. If not, upgrade to IDS 11.50. >>> -- > Sorry for all the confusion! > > This is what I am looking for: > > A short paper from someone who has intimate knowledge about Informix > history since it was sold to IBM. The focus is on Informix SE 7.x, > nothing else, since we have no budget for IDS. We need impartial > opinion about the demise of SE 7, the failed attempt to port it to > Linux, and what next for this particular engine.. > > I want a cool, impartial opinion about this product. I may not be > impartial since I've been paying for maintenance and haven't received > a single upgrade since ... when? SE7 is very much un-demised. It's still sold, it's still supported and it's still very widely used indeed. It's also very much been available on Linux for years. However, I think it's very, very unlikely it will ever be enhanced. If it's doing what you want, then I wouldn't be too concerned about it's future. Oh, and you're paying for support, not for new features. ;o) What version of SE are you using? -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com I will now proceed to pleasure myself with this fish. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
You asked for: A short paper from someone who has intimate knowledge about Informix history since it was sold to IBM. The focus is on Informix SE 7.x, nothing else, since we have no budget for IDS. We need impartial opinion about the demise of SE 7, the failed attempt to port it to Linux, and what next for this particular engine.. First, there was/is no 'demise of SE 7'. Informix Standard Engine 7.xx is alive and well. Ibm is still maintaining it and selling it and supporting it! Only IDS 7.31 went out of support this past September, not SE. As far as I know there are no plans to enhance it but then it is a stable and fast product and there are no major upgrades that are really needed. It would be nice to have SQL '92 support in there so that IDS queries can port better down to SE, but it's been running with only SQL '89 syntax support forever, so... SE is fast, light weight, takes almost no administration except changing log files periodically if you are logging your databases, and it just keeps on working. Apologies to Jonathan who understood the original question better than I did. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference April 25-28, 2010 Overland Park (Kansas City), KS www.iiug.org/conf Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:09 PM, PN <ndphung@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 17, 3:31 am, Art Kagel <art.ka...@gmail.com> wrote: > > IB, Jonathan, that PN is mentioning that his applications haven't changed > in > > many years and now they have need of a new report. > > > > Art > > > > Art S. Kagel > > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) > > IIUG Board of Directors (a...@iiug.org) > > > > See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference > > April 25-28, 2010 > > Overland Park (Kansas City), KSwww.iiug.org/conf > > > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions > and > > do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any > other > > organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or > by > > inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals > > affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the > > entities themselves. > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Leffler > > <jleffler.i...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:30, PN <ndph...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> I am looking for someone with knowledge about Informix products, > > >> especially Standard Engine 7.x. > > >> We've been using this Informix engine for many years, and nothing has > > >> been added to it for 5 or 6 years already. > > > > > There are no plans to change SE significantly. As it becomes necessary > to > > > do ports to new operating system versions, that is likely to happen. > > > Otherwise, it is an archetypically stable product that just works. If > it > > > meets your requirements, continue using it. If not, upgrade to IDS > 11.50. > > > > > -- > Sorry for all the confusion! > > This is what I am looking for: > > A short paper from someone who has intimate knowledge about Informix > history since it was sold to IBM. The focus is on Informix SE 7.x, > nothing else, since we have no budget for IDS. We need impartial > opinion about the demise of SE 7, the failed attempt to port it to > Linux, and what next for this particular engine.. > > I want a cool, impartial opinion about this product. I may not be > impartial since I've been paying for maintenance and haven't received > a single upgrade since ... when? > > > Thanks > > PN > > > > Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> > > > Email: jleff...@earthlink.net, jleff...@us.ibm.com > > > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2008.0513 --http://dbi.perl.org/ > > > "Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves, for we shall never cease to > be > > > amused." > > > NB: Please do not use this email for correspondence. > > > I don't necessarily read it every week, even. > > > Stephen Leacock< > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>; - "I > detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day > > > die, which is not so." > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Informix-list mailing list > > > Informix-l...@iiug.org > > >http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >
PN wrote: > On Feb 17, 3:31 am, Art Kagel <art.ka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> IB, Jonathan, that PN is mentioning that his applications haven't changed in >> many years and now they have need of a new report. >> >> Art >> >> Art S. Kagel >> Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) >> IIUG Board of Directors (a...@iiug.org) >> >> See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference >> April 25-28, 2010 >> Overland Park (Kansas City), KSwww.iiug.org/conf >> >> Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and >> do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other >> organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by >> inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals >> affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the >> entities themselves. >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Leffler >> <jleffler.i...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 16:30, PN <ndph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I am looking for someone with knowledge about Informix products, >>>> especially Standard Engine 7.x. >>>> We've been using this Informix engine for many years, and nothing has >>>> been added to it for 5 or 6 years already. >>> There are no plans to change SE significantly. As it becomes necessary to >>> do ports to new operating system versions, that is likely to happen. >>> Otherwise, it is an archetypically stable product that just works. If it >>> meets your requirements, continue using it. If not, upgrade to IDS 11.50. >>> -- > Sorry for all the confusion! > > This is what I am looking for: > > A short paper from someone who has intimate knowledge about Informix > history since it was sold to IBM. The focus is on Informix SE 7.x, > nothing else, since we have no budget for IDS. We need impartial > opinion about the demise of SE 7, the failed attempt to port it to > Linux, and what next for this particular engine.. > > I want a cool, impartial opinion about this product. I may not be > impartial since I've been paying for maintenance and haven't received > a single upgrade since ... when? > > > Thanks > > PN Actually SE 7.24.UC5 (with esql/c), vintage july '98, was the first Informix product ever ported to Linux (and a libc 5 binary it was too), there even still is an FAQ at the IIUG site about it http://www.iiug.org/library/linux/linux_faq/english/ so maybe you could probably start by clarifying what makes you think that there was a 'failed attempt to port it to Linux'? As Jonathan said, SE is a stable product that just works, with no features enhancements planned. If it offers all the features you need you should just stick with it, if you need more, IDS workgroup edition compares favourably with SE in terms of licences. -- Ciao, Marco ______________________________________________________________________________ Marco Greco /UK /IBM Standard disclaimers apply! Structured Query Scripting Language http://www.4glworks.com/sqsl.htm 4glworks http://www.4glworks.com Informix on Linux http://www.4glworks.com/ifmxlinux.htm