Re: database market share 2003

Data Goob said: > Why would my question not be serious? Fatuous, perhaps? > I find the whole IBM landscape somewhat comical yet > daunting. Lots of achievement and lots of angst > over appearing too proud. On the flip side there > is Oracle, with a lot of strutting around like a > peacock, with totally undeserving value run by a > pompous self-absorbed self-serving megalomaniac > full of arrogance. But I'm getting redundant, and > digress. There is a whole generation of computer > users who will never see a mainframe, AS/400, OS/390, > etc. etc. The fact that they won't know the value There is already an entire generation of users who have never seen a mainframe. That doesn't preclude the mainframe from being important to ourt daily business. > of old, big iron systems doesn't make them bad, it > just means that a whole new generation of IT > professionals are going to solve business problems > outside the mainframe space, and would never even > begin to consider them, instead trying to make Linux > and Windows work faster and more efficiently. I'm It's not even about speed or efficiency. It's about uptime and reliability. Personally, I'm very disappointed that the big Unix vendors have not done more to improve uptime, since the mainframe model has been out there since, what...1960? > simply asking questions about mainframes because I > simply don't have a clue about that market, and find > it curious that those that do, think that counting DB2 > on AS/400 is irrelevant or lies when it is clear that > they really don't know jack about the DB2 market. > Anyway, I remain curious about some kind of hidden > value in the mainframe space that cannot be found in > the Linux or Windows space. Enlighten me. Uptime, reliability, scalability. You may think these things exist on planet Unix, but sadly, those self-satisfied, smug, mainframe nerds have got those things at a level we can't even dream of. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche "I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't get my head up my ass" - JCH "Ogni uomo mi guarda come se fossi una testa di cazzo" - Marco sending to informix-list

"Obnoxio The Clown" <obnoxio@serendipita.com> wrote in message news:c9s4c4$jlr$1@news.xmission.com... > Uptime, reliability, scalability. You may think these things exist on > planet Unix, but sadly, those self-satisfied, smug, mainframe nerds have > got those things at a level we can't even dream of. > Well, curiosity is killin' me. I went over to IBM's website and have been downloading a lot of fluff on zSeries. I guess it's a big ticket item because most of the wording is geared for kindergarten--er I mean executive types. Not a lot of specifics on TCO, ROI, speed, where this thing fits relative to other machines, etc. What's the price point to get into zSeries with Linux? And just how fast are these machines? Could we put VMWare on these things or is that redundant? Might be interesting to understand how one of these could be put to use in a typical Windows shop with Linux.