Re: Yahoo - Informix Revitalizes 4GL Application Development Too

On 7 May 98 at 11:58, Ing. Melvin Perez Cedano wrote: > Mark D. Stock wrote: > > > Ing. Melvin Perez Cedano wrote: > > > > > > I'm a little confuse, because according with the category assigned to > > > INFORMIX-4GL in the Products Life Cycle, it is a dead product in terms > > > of development new features. Is Informix blind-searching the way to > > > start up? Melvin, Check out SuperNova's I4GL Extender at http://www.supernova.com > > I don't remember the 'dead product' level in the Product Life Cycle. > > Ok, there's no 'dead product' category in the Product Life Cycle, > but there's a category 2, which as you surely know doesn't include > any development of new features, only maintenance releases. > > >From informix web site: > > Category Two: Full Maintenance > > 1. Maintenance-only releases, including defect fixes, are > scheduled > within the next year. > Ok. > > 2. Customer feature requests will be considered for inclusion into > this > product's > successor within the product family. > > What's the INFORMIX-4GL's successor? New-Era, right? What's the > INFORMIX-NewEra Category? the same of 4GL (2) > > any comments? Oh, I have plenty. How about the way my NewEra customers regard me, thanks to selling them a "brain-dead" tool? How about what do we do with our millions of lines of 4GL code? Etc. > 3. Product is for sale. > Ok > > 4. Standard support programs can be initiated. > Ok. > > If you don't think that this is a dead product, could you tell me > any feature included in 4GL since version 4.11? > > > A product is not dead until Informix either sells it off (which means it > > gets a re-birth with another company) or stops supporting it. I don't > > believe either of these apply to 4GL. > > Ok. but I wrote 'in terms of development of new features' > > > > It's too late!!! > > > > For you maybe, but not for the thousands of 4GL users out there. > > Are you sure of this?How much Informix sold in the tools market for > new developments? I think that Informix abandoned those thousands of > 4GL users, including me, because we have not received any > enhancements, just same to continue maintaining existing > applications. Do you think that anyone could evaluate INFORMIX-4GL > for new developments? What 4GL offers for GUI, Client-Server, > Intranet applications? Yep. Despite the fact that I believe that many of these platforms or technologies add no value to the application, people still want them. There is no way a new buyer of tools would look at 4GL or NewEra, even if they are great solution in the medium-term. Existing users of these products must be wondering what to do and how to go forward. Informix's commitment to Data Director as a tool strategy leaves existing users with only the bitter prospect of a complete rewrite to get to newer technology. > > > Informix, is now when you realize that there's a big market using > > > INFORMIX-4GL waiting for a real solution for migrating to new > > > environments (client/server, intranet)? > > > > I think the realisation that 4GL had a big market came a few years ago. I don't know about that. I think they've conveniently forgotten the fact. > IMHO, I don't think so!What Informix offers for migration of those > millions of line of 4GL code to new technology? Informix tried to > move to the client-server/GUI world two times, without success: > INFORMIX-4GL for Windows and INFORMIX-NewEra. > > Have you used any of them? Heh, heh. Both - one was a joke, one was not. But that doesn't matter, does it? > INFORMIX realized that is a database company, not a tool one!! but, > what about those thousand of INFORMIX-4GL users? > > > > Anyway, I'm still being a real Informixer! > > > > Mmmm, that's one term, there are others. :-) What, you don't think that it's right for an Informix user to criticise Informix for leaving him in a dead end with some of his Informix products? -- Ciao, Billy /Group Managing Director, The West Solutions Group: http://www.west.co.za \\ Drivel @ http://www.west.co.za/tasteless/ / \\ "Granted, Mr Wheeler's ideas are stupid and unreasonable, but he does own the company and I / think we should go along with him..." \\________________________________________________________________________________________________