Re: current informix white papers ?

Posted in 2008

Floyd Wellershaus — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:27:56 -0600 (CST) — source: Usenet: comp.databases.informix

>>As for the original post, this reminds me another flame a while ago... If someone is interested in moving to Oracle because of HA, someone should really find out what is really motivating them... Pay more and suffer a migration to gain nothing that eases their pain... sounds completely wrong... << I assure you I am not flaming or trolling. I really think the main push to consider Oracle has more to do with our Developement team crying for it for years. There are lots of tools to make a developers job easier it seems, and getting developers that know Oracle is supposedly easier. Believe me, I am trying my best to fight them on this. I am not interested in dealing with a harder to maintain database that doesn't handle our load as well. Proving it to the management is another issue though. If we do go to Oracle, it would probably be with RAC plus DataGuard, which I think will cover most if not all of the same areas that Informix HA stuff does, and I guess I can look at it as that I'll be learning a new gig and getting more marketable. I'm amazed at the controversy my little question sparked, and am reading it all hoping to take in something of value. Your apparent thought that my initial post was some sort flame is not something I expected however. ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: current informix white papers ? Date: Fri, February 29, 2008 10:00 From: "Fernando Nunes" <spam@onlinedomus.net> Art S. Kagel (Oninit) wrote: > > > Daniel's pointing to the fact that IDS 11.10's MACH11 technology > > implementation provides only READ-ONLY service from the SDS > > secondaries. Other than that, a dubious advantage since using RAC > > secondaries in read-write configurations reduces the cluster's > > scalability significantly, there's nothing useful in RAC that's not in > > MACH11. > > Don't get me wrong, but I will prefer to see DA Morgan's answer... > Undoubtedly he will search the net in search for arguments. The last time I > bother to discuss something with him he found a lot of interesting stuff... > Unfortunately most of it was easily usable to show that he was wrong (from > prices to technical stuff) so he kept jumping from subject to subject, > constantly searching for something right to say ( whether or not it was > relevant to the original post). > > So, although completely useless, because he will not stop, it's kind of fun > from time to time... And since I'm just doing some work related to IDS (and > replication by the way), it would be very interesting to me at this time... > > As for the original post, this reminds me another flame a while ago... If > someone is interested in moving to Oracle because of HA, someone should really > find out what is really motivating them... Pay more and suffer a migration to > gain nothing that eases their pain... sounds completely wrong... > > And again... Checking an open beta does not mean we are saying them to move > into a non available product... It just means that the new version will have > significant changes in this area. We are all bound to non-disclosure agreements > but it's very easy to find out what it is... Every version have a place where > we can see the changes... and a beta version is not an exception :) > > Regards, > > > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > >

↪ replying to Floyd Wellershaus

Fernando Nunes — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:56:06 +0000 — source: Usenet: comp.databases.informix

Floyd Wellershaus wrote: >>> As for the original post, this reminds me another flame a while ago... If > someone is interested in moving to Oracle because of HA, someone should > really > find out what is really motivating them... Pay more and suffer a migration to > gain nothing that eases their pain... sounds completely wrong... > << > > I assure you I am not flaming or trolling. I really think the main push to > consider Oracle has more to do with our Developement team crying for it > for years. There are lots of tools to make a developers job easier it > seems, and getting developers that know Oracle is supposedly easier. > I believe you... And what you're saying matches my thoughts... It's not because of HA... > Believe me, I am trying my best to fight them on this. I am not interested > in dealing with a harder to maintain database that doesn't handle our load > as well. Proving it to the management is another issue though. > Sure. And the references that you were given may help with the HA reasoning, but will they be useful regarding your development team worries? Probably not > If we do go to Oracle, it would probably be with RAC plus DataGuard, which > I think will cover most if not all of the same areas that Informix HA > stuff does, and I guess I can look at it as that I'll be learning a new > gig and getting more marketable. Which is understandable... > > I'm amazed at the controversy my little question sparked, and am reading > it all hoping to take in something of value. Your apparent thought that my > initial post was some sort flame is not something I expected however. I didn't explain myself clearly... I didn't mean your question was a flame. If I made that impression I'm sorry. I tried to say, that this question reminds me a recent thread that turn into a flame... As for your hopes of reading something of value, you'll be better served with the white papers... My experience tells me that any discussion with DA Morgan turns into useless crap... He will probably try to "sell" Oracle RAC, and if it fails he will try to "sell himself" as he does even in the Oracle groups... If he chooses to show the Oracle RAC features you may gain something, but if he goes the other way (show Informix lack of features) it will be awful, because his knowledge of the product is inexistent (although the time he spends here could have help him to gain some knowledge) and his ability to search information about it is very weak... Any way, my point is apparently valid... The reasons apparently are not very HA specific... So after educating yourself on Oracle/Informix HA features you may want to find out what are the problems your development team find in Informix... And then, as always, there will be people here trying to help you (and/or them). Even if we fail, at least we'll learn more about developers concerns regarding Informix. This is also helpful, both to IBM and to their Informix customers and as such is good for this group. Regards, -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...