Re: Ok, call me silly...
Fernando Nunes wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >> Hey! >> >> I really am an easy going guy. >> >> We've all heard the rumors of an IDS TPC-E benchmark is somewhere >> going to happen some day. >> >> After all, IDS *is* IBM's go to database for transactions! >> >> Back a couple of months ago. (Ok, like around January) >> IBM published a TPC-C benchmark using DB2 9.5. >> >> Serge pointed out that IBM *had* everything set up for a DB2 >> benchmark, so it was 'easier' to publish a TPC-C benchmark using DB2 >> than trying to set up an IDS benchmark. IDS, you know, IBM's OLTP >> database. >> >> Well *everyone* knows that TPC-C is dead and that the new benchmark is >> 'TPC-E'. Right? >> Hmmm. Why doesn't someone tell both HP and IBM? >> After IBM's benchmark, HP ran theirs. >> Of course, IBM retaliates with yet another benchmark released today. >> You can read about it here: >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/11/ibm_power6_tpcc/ >> >> The sad truth is that maybe there is a TPC-E benchmark on the way. We >> may even see it someday. However, the perception that is getting >> re-enforced is that IBM is paying "lip service" to the IDS crowd. >> Sales critter will follow the "lead with DB2, then if all else fails, >> mention IDS" from Janet's days. >> >> And its the perception that hurts all of us. >> >> But hey! What do I know? >> I'm being paid to save the world from gits who blindly follow their >> GPS systems and drive in to people's homes, ponds, and lakes. ;-) > Not to contradict you, but you above all should note two points: > > - This is a hardware war... Correct. TPC-C is used to set hardware prices. TPC-E IS the future for OLTP benchmarking in TPC. When IDS publishes TPC-E is up to the IDS team. Same for the DB2 team Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab
Serge Rielau wrote: > Fernando Nunes wrote: >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>> Hey! >>> >>> I really am an easy going guy. >>> >>> We've all heard the rumors of an IDS TPC-E benchmark is somewhere >>> >>> But hey! What do I know? >>> I'm being paid to save the world from gits who blindly follow their >>> GPS systems and drive in to people's homes, ponds, and lakes. ;-) >> Not to contradict you, but you above all should note two points: >> >> - This is a hardware war... > Correct. TPC-C is used to set hardware prices. > TPC-E IS the future for OLTP benchmarking in TPC. > When IDS publishes TPC-E is up to the IDS team. If only that were true . . . I'm guessing it's not up to the IDS team, but someone many pay grades above . . . JWC
Serge Rielau wrote: > Fernando Nunes wrote: >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>> Hey! >>> >>> I really am an easy going guy. >>> >>> We've all heard the rumors of an IDS TPC-E benchmark is somewhere >>> >>> But hey! What do I know? >>> I'm being paid to save the world from gits who blindly follow their >>> GPS systems and drive in to people's homes, ponds, and lakes. ;-) >> Not to contradict you, but you above all should note two points: >> >> - This is a hardware war... > Correct. TPC-C is used to set hardware prices. > TPC-E IS the future for OLTP benchmarking in TPC. > When IDS publishes TPC-E is up to the IDS team. If only that were true . . . I'm guessing it's not up to the IDS team, but someone many pay grades above . . . JWC
On Jun 14, 4:32 am, Serge Rielau <srie...@ca.ibm.com> wrote: > > - This is a hardware war... > > Correct. TPC-C is used to set hardware prices. > TPC-E IS the future for OLTP benchmarking in TPC. > When IDS publishes TPC-E is up to the IDS team. > Same for the DB2 team > > Cheers > Serge And this is the *best* *spin* you could put on this? C'mon. Get real. All of the TPC benchmarks test a combination of hardware and software. Its not just a DBMS system. So its a bit disingenuous for you to try to toss this off as "just a hardware" thing. Its not. The benchmark is a comprehensive solution. I find it difficult to believe that no one in senior management of IBM's SWG's IM team didn't have to sign off on this. You have to call in to question the credibility of IM's management team when they sing the praises of IDS. Two TPC-C benchmarks using DB2, yet no TPC-E benchmark after a year or longer since it was rumored IDS was being benchmarked. Someone (within IBM's executive management) needs to step up and make sure all groups are in sync with their messages. Clearly this is not happening. But hey! What do I know? I'm just a guy sitting on the hill side watching the train wreck below. -G PS. Again the sad part is that there are a lot of people doing good work that just got dumped on by their own management team.