$5800 for Oracle on a dual quad core xeon?
Not a technical support thread but a pricing debate. Ian Gumby quoted a TPC-C benchmark report showing an HP two-socket (8-core) Nehalem box running Oracle 11g Standard Edition One where the database software cost only $5,800 plus ~$10,497 maintenance, and asked how Informix IDS would compare, suspecting Oracle was playing games with list prices. Neil Truby questioned the core/server arithmetic and offered a rough comparison: 400 PVUs of IDS Workgroup plus one year's support at about US$50,400, roughly US$71,000 over three years. The thread ends with unanswered questions about whether Oracle's low-end edition is really comparable to IDS Workgroup or IDS Express, and what Oracle's actual list price is; no conclusion is reached.
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Ok, riddle me this... According to the article.. "It took eight of HP's DL360 G5 servers to simulate the 500,000 end users driving the system, and the box, which ran Oracle Enterprise Linux (Oracle's clone of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux 5) to cut costs as well as Oracle's 11g Standard Edition One database, was able to process 631,766 TPC-C transactions per minute (TPM). The hardware in the setup, which was mostly the disk storage, cost $666,040, and three years of maintenance on the system cost $69,910. The software cost a mere $5,800, plus $10,497 for maintenance. Adding in the client hardware and software (which you have to do as part of the TPC-C test) pushed the price tag on this two-socket system to $802,683, but after a 15.5 per cent discount, the price dropped down enough to get the system down to $1.08 per TPM." So 5.8K software + 10.5K for 3 years of maintenance. Earlier in the article the machine used in the benchmark was ... "Hewlett-Packard's two-socket ProLiant DL370 G6 server is the first Nehalem EP box to be put through the TPC-C paces, and it blows away more expensive four-socket ProLiant machines using Advanced Micro Devices' "Shanghai" quad-core Opterons and even gives four-socket machines using Intel's own "Dunnington" six-core Xeon 7400s a run for their money." That is, an 8 core (2 quad core xenons) cost of Oracle is $5,800.00? C'mon. Looks like Oracle is playing fun and games with their pricing. How much would IDS cost for such a box? And then add in the 3 years of maintenance. Very interesting.
"Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:009be56c-68fb-4c75-9aee-9c3666414b57@f19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com... > Ok, riddle me this... > > According to the article.. > "It took eight of HP's DL360 G5 servers to simulate the 500,000 end > users driving the system, and the box, which ran Oracle Enterprise > Linux (Oracle's clone of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux 5) to cut costs as > well as Oracle's 11g Standard Edition One database, was able to > process 631,766 TPC-C transactions per minute (TPM). The hardware in > the setup, which was mostly the disk storage, cost $666,040, and three > years of maintenance on the system cost $69,910. The software cost a > mere $5,800, plus $10,497 for maintenance. Adding in the client > hardware and software (which you have to do as part of the TPC-C test) > pushed the price tag on this two-socket system to $802,683, but after > a 15.5 per cent discount, the price dropped down enough to get the > system down to $1.08 per TPM." > > So 5.8K software + 10.5K for 3 years of maintenance. > > Earlier in the article the machine used in the benchmark was ... > "Hewlett-Packard's two-socket ProLiant DL370 G6 server is the first > Nehalem EP box to be put through the TPC-C paces, and it blows away > more expensive four-socket ProLiant machines using Advanced Micro > Devices' "Shanghai" quad-core Opterons and even gives four-socket > machines using Intel's own "Dunnington" six-core Xeon 7400s a run for > their money." > > That is, an 8 core (2 quad core xenons) cost of Oracle is $5,800.00? > > C'mon. Looks like Oracle is playing fun and games with their pricing. > > How much would IDS cost for such a box? And then add in the 3 years of > maintenance. How do you calculate that the comparative costs is for 8 cores? Either the $5,800 is for one server, in which case I infer a dual-core from what you've written above. Or it's for all 8 servers, which would make 16 cores. Also, againI infer from what you've written above that the database servers are clustered in some way, probably RAC? What do you consider to be the equivalent Informix configuration?
Neil, I was quoting the article and I agree that the author kind of confused things when he talked about the 8 front end servers that were used to simulate the transactions, and the database server. I don't know if the reporter was asking the right question or understood the underlying information. The machine was a 2 socket motherboard with 2 quad core Xeon chips. They stated that the price for the software was $5,800 plus $10,497 for maintenance. Since the article talked about the maintenance being for 3 years, hardware I think, I'm going out on a limb and say that the 10.5K was for 3 years of maintenance. This doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless things have changed, maintenance used to be 15% or so of the software purchase price (list). If the maintenance was for 3 years, it would represent 60% of the stated software price. I agree that it could be $5800 per core which would mean that the software's list price would be ~46,400 (USD) and then the maintenance would be ~ 7.5% if the maintenance was 3 years. Even still, how much would Informix IDS be on an 8 core machine? Like I said. $5800 for an 8 core machine? C'mon thats pretty damn low for list. -G > From: neil.truby@ardenta.com > Subject: Re: $5800 for Oracle on a dual quad core xeon? > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:32:35 +0100 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:009be56c-68fb-4c75-9aee-9c3666414b57@f19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com... > > Ok, riddle me this... > > > > According to the article.. > > "It took eight of HP's DL360 G5 servers to simulate the 500,000 end > > users driving the system, and the box, which ran Oracle Enterprise > > Linux (Oracle's clone of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux 5) to cut costs as > > well as Oracle's 11g Standard Edition One database, was able to > > process 631,766 TPC-C transactions per minute (TPM). The hardware in > > the setup, which was mostly the disk storage, cost $666,040, and three > > years of maintenance on the system cost $69,910. The software cost a > > mere $5,800, plus $10,497 for maintenance. Adding in the client > > hardware and software (which you have to do as part of the TPC-C test) > > pushed the price tag on this two-socket system to $802,683, but after > > a 15.5 per cent discount, the price dropped down enough to get the > > system down to $1.08 per TPM." > > > > So 5.8K software + 10.5K for 3 years of maintenance. > > > > Earlier in the article the machine used in the benchmark was ... > > "Hewlett-Packard's two-socket ProLiant DL370 G6 server is the first > > Nehalem EP box to be put through the TPC-C paces, and it blows away > > more expensive four-socket ProLiant machines using Advanced Micro > > Devices' "Shanghai" quad-core Opterons and even gives four-socket > > machines using Intel's own "Dunnington" six-core Xeon 7400s a run for > > their money." > > > > That is, an 8 core (2 quad core xenons) cost of Oracle is $5,800.00? > > > > C'mon. Looks like Oracle is playing fun and games with their pricing. > > > > How much would IDS cost for such a box? And then add in the 3 years of > > maintenance. > > How do you calculate that the comparative costs is for 8 cores? > Either the $5,800 is for one server, in which case I infer a dual-core from > what you've written above. > Or it's for all 8 servers, which would make 16 cores. > > Also, againI infer from what you've written above that the database servers > are clustered in some way, probably RAC? What do you consider to be the > equivalent Informix configuration? > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009
"Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gumby@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mailman.525.1239455430.1831.informix-list@iiug.org... Neil, This doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless things have changed, maintenance used to be 15% or so of the software purchase price (list). If the maintenance was for 3 years, it would represent 60% of the stated software price. I agree that it could be $5800 per core which would mean that the software's list price would be ~46,400 (USD) and then the maintenance would be ~ 7.5% if the maintenance was 3 years. Even still, how much would Informix IDS be on an 8 core machine? Like I said. $5800 for an 8 core machine? C'mon thats pretty damn low for list. Pretty sure you have it wrong somewhere. To partially answer your question the cost of 400 PVUs of IDS Workgrouop plus one year's maintenance is US$50,400. As a non-US business partnmer I don't have access to US maintenance pricing but I'd estimate 1 year's maintenance only at about 20%, so the 3-year cost is probably around US$71,000.
On Apr 11, 3:32 am, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@ardenta.com> wrote: > "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:009be56c-68fb-4c75-9aee-9c3666414b57@f19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Ok, riddle me this... > > > According to the article.. > > "It took eight of HP's DL360 G5 servers to simulate the 500,000 end > > users driving the system, and the box, which ran Oracle Enterprise > > Linux (Oracle's clone of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux 5) to cut costs as > > well as Oracle's 11g Standard Edition One database, was able to > > process 631,766 TPC-C transactions per minute (TPM). The hardware in > > the setup, which was mostly the disk storage, cost $666,040, and three > > years of maintenance on the system cost $69,910. The software cost a > > mere $5,800, plus $10,497 for maintenance. Adding in the client > > hardware and software (which you have to do as part of the TPC-C test) > > pushed the price tag on this two-socket system to $802,683, but after > > a 15.5 per cent discount, the price dropped down enough to get the > > system down to $1.08 per TPM." > > > So 5.8K software + 10.5K for 3 years of maintenance. > > > Earlier in the article the machine used in the benchmark was ... > > "Hewlett-Packard's two-socket ProLiant DL370 G6 server is the first > > Nehalem EP box to be put through the TPC-C paces, and it blows away > > more expensive four-socket ProLiant machines using Advanced Micro > > Devices' "Shanghai" quad-core Opterons and even gives four-socket > > machines using Intel's own "Dunnington" six-core Xeon 7400s a run for > > their money." > > > That is, an 8 core (2 quad core xenons) cost of Oracle is $5,800.00? > > > C'mon. Looks like Oracle is playing fun and games with their pricing. > > > How much would IDS cost for such a box? And then add in the 3 years of > > maintenance. > > How do you calculate that the comparative costs is for 8 cores? > Either the $5,800 is for one server, in which case I infer a dual-core from > what you've written above. > Or it's for all 8 servers, which would make 16 cores. > > Also, againI infer from what you've written above that the database servers > are clustered in some way, probably RAC? What do you consider to be the > equivalent Informix configuration? Neil,
On Apr 11, 8:17 am, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@ardenta.com> wrote: > Pretty sure you have it wrong somewhere. > To partially answer your question the cost of 400 PVUs of IDS Workgrouop > plus one year's maintenance is US$50,400. As a non-US business partnmer I > don't have access to US maintenance pricing but I'd estimate 1 year's > maintenance only at about 20%, so the 3-year cost is probably around > US$71,000. Actually I don't have it wrong. At least the information I do have is from the TPC.org website. Could we be wrong in comparing the '10g' release used to IDS Workgroup? Could it be that the base Oracle 10g is really more comparable to IDS Express? The other thing we have to consider is that Oracle is fudging the numbers. Anyone know the Oracle 10g list price these days?