Re: As the markets tank... Some Benchmark Stuff to distract you
dcruncher4@aim.com wrote: >> More features does not mean it is making more money. It may mean >> it is not and they want to change that situation. > > I note that you mentioned 'may'. > > One surest way to let a product die is to do nothing. Like > what happened to VAX RDB , Ingres when they were > acquired. Sure it did look like that Informix will meet the > same fate circa 2001-2004 before IDS 10 changed the > perception. Though the VAX died we should note that rdb did not. It is alive and well in much the same way I suspect we will view IDS in a few years unless things turn around. http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html >> It might also >> mean that the IDS development team is struggling to keep from >> being moved to DB2 or out the door. > > 'might' is the key word. Of course. No one that knows the facts is going to comment. This is all rampant speculation on everyone's part. > I am an ex-informix employee and I still have contacts with some > who work there. Contrary to what you say, IDS development team > was slowly getting pushed to DB2 circa 2001-2004 before they > started coming back to it. I heard it wasn't so slowly. <g> > When IBM does not release sales figure of DB2 itself, why is it a > surprise if IDS also meets the same fate. Not a surprise. What is a surprise is that some individuals post second hand rumors as encouraging news. I would expect a more fact based analysis from IT professionals. > BTW when in Jun 2001 you mentioned that in 5 years informix > would be deprecated there was no 'may' or 'might'. You were > so cock sure. IDS is currently so marginalized that the numbers don't even show on the charts I see. Take a good look at this group. See any newbies? See any new customers? See any new development? See any new third-party tools being released? See any new applications? ERP? HR? etc? I don't either. Not even a published benchmark. What I see is a small group of guys that, like me, are getting closer to retirement with every passing day and no one stepping into their shoes. So I stand by that statement. -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > dcruncher4@aim.com wrote: > >>> More features does not mean it is making more money. It may mean >>> it is not and they want to change that situation. >>> >> I note that you mentioned 'may'. >> >> One surest way to let a product die is to do nothing. Like >> what happened to VAX RDB , Ingres when they were >> acquired. Sure it did look like that Informix will meet the >> same fate circa 2001-2004 before IDS 10 changed the >> perception. >> > > Though the VAX died we should note that rdb did not. It is > alive and well in much the same way I suspect we will view > IDS in a few years unless things turn around. > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html > > I thought you said IDS was going to be completely dead by 2005, Danny boy? >>> It might also >>> mean that the IDS development team is struggling to keep from >>> being moved to DB2 or out the door. >>> >> 'might' is the key word. >> > > Of course. No one that knows the facts is going to comment. This > is all rampant speculation on everyone's part. > > Oh my. The ironing is delicious. >> I am an ex-informix employee and I still have contacts with some >> who work there. Contrary to what you say, IDS development team >> was slowly getting pushed to DB2 circa 2001-2004 before they >> started coming back to it. >> > > I heard it wasn't so slowly. <g> > > Well, let's face it, DB2 needed a lot of help. >> When IBM does not release sales figure of DB2 itself, why is it a >> surprise if IDS also meets the same fate. >> > > Not a surprise. What is a surprise is that some individuals > post second hand rumors as encouraging news. I would expect > a more fact based analysis from IT professionals. > > Are you familiar with the term "brass neck", Danny? >> BTW when in Jun 2001 you mentioned that in 5 years informix >> would be deprecated there was no 'may' or 'might'. You were >> so cock sure. >> > > IDS is currently so marginalized that the numbers don't even > show on the charts I see. Take a good look at this group. See > any newbies? See any new customers? See any new development? > See any new third-party tools being released? See any new > applications? ERP? HR? etc? I don't either. Not even a published > benchmark. > Well, I don't know about you, but I certainly see some noob questions here from time to time. But you wouldn't recognise them, because you don't know shit. > What I see is a small group of guys that, like me, are getting > closer to retirement with every passing day and no one stepping > into their shoes. > > So I stand by that statement. > Stand away, Danny boy. In fact, please, go for broke. I would be delighted for you to make a daily post that says "IDS is dead, there's no benchmark, there's no advertising, there's no <fill in whatever floats your boat>" Please. -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
In article <1223689956.403296@bubbleator.drizzle.com>, DA Morgan says... >Though the VAX died we should note that rdb did not. It is >alive and well in much the same way I suspect we will view >IDS in a few years unless things turn around. > >http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html what new features did oracle put in vax RDB. I believe it took a lot from vas rdb. >Of course. No one that knows the facts is going to comment. This >is all rampant speculation on everyone's part. specualtion !!!! we are seeing huge transformation of informix capabilities by way of excellent new features in informix, like remote secondary server, shared disk server, clusters. IBM is a 100 billion dollar company and not stupid to invest all this in a product they want to kill. Interestingly none of these features are in Db2 at this time. >Not a surprise. What is a surprise is that some individuals >post second hand rumors as encouraging news. I would expect >a more fact based analysis from IT professionals. I would see what is happening to informix product to conclude what IBM wants to do with it which in turn is based on what IBM sees it as a cash cow. >IDS is currently so marginalized that the numbers don't even >show on the charts I see. Take a good look at this group. See >any newbies? See any new customers? See any new development? >See any new third-party tools being released? See any new >applications? ERP? HR? etc? I don't either. Not even a published >benchmark. > >What I see is a small group of guys that, like me, are getting >closer to retirement with every passing day and no one stepping >into their shoes. > >So I stand by that statement. yeah shift the goalpost once you have been proved completely wrong.