RE: Smarter Questions for IBM

My response is official as the whole thing (including or especially responses) are moderated. After I entered my answer I got a notice to this effect and only after the moderator had approved my response showed up. Nevertheless, as far as I can judge (I didn't keep a copy of my original response) my original response was published unchanged, as the moderator also ensured me, that my response "is good on its own" (even though it did not contain a comparison against Oracle). Cheers, Martin -- Martin Fuerderer IBM Informix Development Munich, Germany Information Management Read about the Informix Warehouse Accelerator: http://tinyurl.com/the-iwa-blog IBM Deutschland Research & Development GmbH Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Martin Jetter Board of Management: Dirk Wittkopp Corporate Seat: Boeblingen, Germany Reg.-Gericht: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 243294 informix-list-bounces@iiug.org wrote on 06/02/2011 04:59:42 PM: > > Just a clarification... > > Was Martin's response an *official* IBM response? > From the site, it looks like he was doing this on his own... > > And to the main point. > This site is primarily dedicated to attacking Oracle and comparing IBM's SWG products against Oracle's offerings. > So yes, there's nothing about Informix. > > Now why is that? > Could it be that Informix isn't positioned against Oracle? > > I'll let that sink in.... > > (Wait a few minutes for the kids who ride the short bus catch up..) :-) > > > ... > Yes, they are really that slow and they're waiting for Stuart to catch up too! :-) > ... > > Ok, now that we have everyone's attention... > Remember the 'go to market' slide that was presented by Jerry Keese? If you rotate the circle one way, you had Informix. > You rotate it the other way... you have DB2. While Informix could be positioned against Oracle, the default is to present DB2 against Oracle. > > The reality is that the slide placated the Informix crowd while in practice, it allowed the IBM sales force to focus on selling DB2. > (And again for the slow people... The Informix product management team never quite understood what it would take to sell the S&D folks on Informix.) > > While Neil suggests that Eric talk to Stuart is kind of humorous. Stuart has been sucking on the IBM teat for so long all the while selling Informix customers 4Js products... > > Again the point is that IBM isn't going to listen unless you are one of the fortunate 50 customers who are large enough that the IBM S&D team covering you as an account all have brown necks. > Unfortunately those same sales folks now suffer from Hypoxia so they still don't get it and the message is either distorted or lost. > > And since we have the slow folks still here... in short: IBM doesn't care about you. They don't make money, or much money from the Informix crowd outside of a few customers who also happen to spend a lot of money on other IBM products and services. > Shout all you want... it doesn't matter. Even if Jerry Keese and crew listened and tried their best, they still will fail because they don't get out of the lab much. And sorry Jerry, dog and pony shows where your tech guys are trotted out to meet and > greet existing customers doesn't cut it. > Unless you own paper, or work with S&D on a regular basis... you will never understand. BTW, how did those "All Hands Calls" work for you? > > But what do I know? > Oh wait! That was my job. I was in the lab where I tried to align the goals of IM with the S&D division on a daily basis. I held paper. I made deals happen... > So I guess I really do know what I'm talking about. Which is why I can say that even 6 years since my escape from the borg, IBM IM Informix types still don't get it. > > And since I don't want to be seen as being negative... let me yet again offer IBM a *FREE*, albeit cryptic clue... "When you have a Leatherman or a Swiss Army Knife, learn how to sell a Leatherman or a Swiss Army knife. You don't sell it as cutlery or flatware." > > Peace Out! > -G > > PS. A special note to Jerry Keesee: > Jerry, you really do need to get out more. Chicago is still just a short hop away from KC. > > > From: eherber1967@googlemail.com > > Subject: Re: Smarter Questions for IBM > > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 05:39:23 -0700 > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > On 2 Jun., 12:11, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr...@ardenta.com> wrote: > > > "Eric Herber" <eherber1...@googlemail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:08a15eb4-81ac-4c7b-940a-1db012870f3e@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > After some people asked some real smart questions, IBM installed a new > > > > slogan now in > > > > the area where you could provide questions: > > > > > > >http://smarterquestions.org/ask-a-smarter-question/ > > > > > > > "And while we would love to answer all of your IBM-related questions, > > > > Smarter Questions > > > > only considers the competitive aspects of IBM technology versus > > > > Oracle. " > > > > > > > Good to know that Informix doesn't compete with Oracle from IBM's > > > > point of view. > > > > > > Are you sure that the appearance of this extra paragraph is related to a > > > determination not to answer questions about Informix? Have any Informix > > > answers appeared yet? > > > > Neil, > > > > you are right, it is probably not related. > > > > One Informix question about compression has been answered by Martin > > Fuerderer > > after he observed the existence of smarterquestions.org due to my > > posting here. > > > > The point is that this is an official IBM website and once again IBM > > demonstrated > > that Informix is still treated as "Cinderella". Several DB2 "smarter" > > questions > > asked and answered by IBM itself and not a single one related to > > Informix (:- > > > > What I also dislike is the fact that they suggest that this is an open > > platform > > where questions could be asked by customers and now deny to answer > > them as they might be considered too critical. > > > > If smarterquestions.org "considers the competetive aspects of IBM > > technology > > versus Oracle" I think it is legitimate to ask why they didn't > > mention Informix when denouncing Oracle's HP/UX Itanium strategy and > > it > > is also legitmate to ask why we don't see an official Informix TPC > > benchmark > > that would help us to compete with Oracle and it is also legitimate to > > ask > > how Neteeza and Informix Warehouse Accelerator compete with Oracle > > Exadata and it is also legitimate to ask what is IBM's preferred > > database > > solution for Smart Metering and it is also legitimate to ask why DB2 > > is > > advertised in print media and Informix isn't..... > > > > As always we need to kick them in the ass before they do anything for > > Informix. I don't know why I don't get rid of the feeling that IBM is > > still paying lip services to the loyal Informix community (:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >@

On 6/2/2011 6:57 PM, Martin Fuerderer wrote: > My response is official as the whole thing (including or > especially responses) are moderated. After I entered > my answer I got a notice to this effect and only after > the moderator had approved my response showed up. > Nevertheless, as far as I can judge (I didn't keep a > copy of my original response) my original response > was published unchanged, as the moderator also > ensured me, that my response "is good on its own" > (even though it did not contain a comparison against > Oracle). > > Cheers, Martin Must have been a glitch, then, as I asked a question and haven't seen it posted yet . . . JWC

Ok... I just left a handful of comments. First, I wonder how long they will stay because they are a bit acidic. ;-) (But they are honest and truthful. Unfortunately the truth can be a bitter pill) IMHO the site is a bit of a failure. Its purpose is to help generate buzz and the only buzz is a bunch of angry Informixers who want to know why they were left out of the party. Sorry, guys, but its true. I went over and looked at the article How Netezza fits in with IBM Smart Analytics Systemand in 7 days it generated 347 hits with 5 comment that say nothing but reiterate a twitter plug to the video segment. Considering that 'Big Data' analytics is a very hot topic... When you try to make a marketing position statement about how your products fit together and no one really pays much attention, what does that really tell you? But hey! What do I know? I realize I leave some cryptic hints to IBMers about this issue and it just goes over their heads. Here's another one for IBMers. Can you say White out? -G > From: jwcarlson1@yahoo.com.invalid > Subject: Re: Smarter Questions for IBM > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:20:45 -0400 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > On 6/2/2011 6:57 PM, Martin Fuerderer wrote: > > My response is official as the whole thing (including or > > especially responses) are moderated. After I entered > > my answer I got a notice to this effect and only after > > the moderator had approved my response showed up. > > Nevertheless, as far as I can judge (I didn't keep a > > copy of my original response) my original response > > was published unchanged, as the moderator also > > ensured me, that my response "is good on its own" > > (even though it did not contain a comparison against > > Oracle). > > > > Cheers, Martin > > Must have been a glitch, then, as I asked a question and haven't seen it > posted yet . . . > > JWC > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list