Re: Insider #75: Highlights: IBM Information On Demand 2006, TheNextInformix IDS Release...

mark.scranton@gmail.com wrote: > dude... > > It's like I suggested many, many months ago to you - if you have LOTS > of ideas for changing things, join IBM and try to make a change. Your > ramblings and "the longer it gets the filthier it is" approach only > alienates folks and makes people wonder about "these folks that say > they're dedicated to Informix." > Where's the download for the uncrippled version? > If you wanna be "on this team", statements like "..it can't even power > a flashlight" are just, well, ridiculous. > Sad isn't it. It wouldn't take much to pump up the wattage on this puppy. > WHY do you keep beating the "IBM dead horse"? Do you really think that > is going to change? Are you kidding - of course not. I was there. We > tried to get IBM to offer a "free IDS" (for the developer community), > but this idea was beaten down over the potential loss of a few million > $$$ and politics - with no regard to the fact that DB2 has a free > offereing of course. So why do you repeat yourself (repeat yourself > (repeat yourself)) and have a cow over what IBM is not doing? Wasted > energy as I see it. > Well, it may be wasted to YOU, but what I find interesting is how "less from the vendor" is suddenly acceptable. I am curious why Oracles' model or Microsoft's' model produces huge sales for them, and how IBM, in most if not all situations produces a bunch of nothing in comparison. I am curious why my younger co-workers don't even know what Informix is. > But there IS a loyal group of "us" that are continuing to work on the > product - 100% of the time - and are doing creative things like: > > 1) joining the beta program for 10.5 to find out more about the new > features coming out > I don't want to join anything, I just want the download. I'll give up a certain amount of my personal info for IDS just like I did for DB2 or MySQL or Sybase or Oracle. I want to tinker with it, and see if it's worth spending my time on it, so I can find monetary gain from using and running the software. I'll scope the job sites to see if there's anybody using it and how much experience they want, and if it pays decent money to manage it or develop apps with it. > 2) like offering papers and presentations at conferences to help > further educate the community that still needs to know the technical > aspects of the product since they still use it in house.... > What good is the technology if there is no application to demonstrate the big "WHY" to Informix. WHY WHY WHY should I develop applications for Informix? Who cares about the engine if it doesn't have something compelling that makes it worth my time to develop applications? > 3) writing tech ar ticles for trade rags to give visibility to the > product, and it's strengths. > > 4) find employment with a company that has a great handle on alot of > the Informix consulting opportunities out there. > Bwhahahahaahahahaaaaa! That's good! Made me laugh. I don't want to work for Walmart. > 5) Look up every nook and cranny (this one should be fun for OTC to > respond to I'm sure!) for opportunities for spreading the product and > it's presence - when onsite, traveling, and speaking to clients. > Uh huh. Why? What's in it for me? > Am I disappointed by what HAS happened? Well of course. I was going to > retire at Informix, and enjoy the income from the stock. What happened > is TRAGIC. But statements and rantings like yours does NOTHING to > further the cause. > What cause? > Get involved with some of the stuff I detailed above. Run for the IIUG > board. Write some papers. Take 1/3 of the time spent on here...and use > it to make a contribution. > IIUG? Certainly you've got to be kidding. Write papers? Sure. In exchange for money. Anyway...I want a non-crippled version of the engine. Show me something I get in exchange for getting involved in a product that nobody but Walmart knows about. Tit for tat. Quid Pro Quo. There has to be an offer from the vendor that compels me or my young friends to use it, develop their apps with, etc etc etc. > Mark Scranton > Informix 1995-2006 > >

You're amusing all of us I'm sure....I'll bite (since I'm grinning).... see comments within.... Double Echo wrote: > mark.scranton@gmail.com wrote: > > dude... > > > > It's like I suggested many, many months ago to you - if you have LOTS > > of ideas for changing things, join IBM and try to make a change. Your > > ramblings and "the longer it gets the filthier it is" approach only > > alienates folks and makes people wonder about "these folks that say > > they're dedicated to Informix." > > > > Where's the download for the uncrippled version? IF it can't power a flashlight, why would you want it at all? > > > If you wanna be "on this team", statements like "..it can't even power > > a flashlight" are just, well, ridiculous. > > > > Sad isn't it. It wouldn't take much to pump up the wattage on this puppy. > > > > WHY do you keep beating the "IBM dead horse"? Do you really think that > > is going to change? Are you kidding - of course not. I was there. We > > tried to get IBM to offer a "free IDS" (for the developer community), > > but this idea was beaten down over the potential loss of a few million > > $$$ and politics - with no regard to the fact that DB2 has a free > > offereing of course. So why do you repeat yourself (repeat yourself > > (repeat yourself)) and have a cow over what IBM is not doing? Wasted > > energy as I see it. > > > > Well, it may be wasted to YOU, but what I find interesting is how "less > from the vendor" is suddenly acceptable. I am curious why Oracles' model > or Microsoft's' model produces huge sales for them, and how IBM, in most > if not all situations produces a bunch of nothing in comparison. I am > curious why my younger co-workers don't even know what Informix is. > > > But there IS a loyal group of "us" that are continuing to work on the > > product - 100% of the time - and are doing creative things like: > > > > 1) joining the beta program for 10.5 to find out more about the new > > features coming out > > OK - don't join the program that would give you the opportunity to redirect your opinions to the source - IBM. Just keep rambling here. > > I don't want to join anything, I just want the download. I'll give > up a certain amount of my personal info for IDS just like I did for DB2 or MySQL > or Sybase or Oracle. I want to tinker with it, and see if it's worth > spending my time on it, so I can find monetary gain from using and > running the software. I'll scope the job sites to see if there's anybody > using it and how much experience they want, and if it pays decent money > to manage it or develop apps with it. > Again - why would you want to "tinker with it"? You already said it wouldn't power a flashlight. > > > > 2) like offering papers and presentations at conferences to help > > further educate the community that still needs to know the technical > > aspects of the product since they still use it in house.... > > > > What good is the technology if there is no application to demonstrate > the big "WHY" to Informix. WHY WHY WHY should I develop applications > for Informix? Who cares about the engine if it doesn't have something > compelling that makes it worth my time to develop applications? > > > > 3) writing tech ar > ticles for trade rags to give visibility to the > > product, and it's strengths. > > > > 4) find employment with a company that has a great handle on alot of > > the Informix consulting opportunities out there. > > > > Bwhahahahaahahahaaaaa! That's good! Made me laugh. I don't want to > work for Walmart. I've been consulting and teaching on Informix since 1995. I have taught - count'em - ONE class at Walmart. And that was back in 1996/7. That's it - 1. Never mind that large clients like, uh, Verizon, Home Depot, Sears, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Choice Hotels, Pegasus, US Courts, Associated Foods, Hewitt, Vital/TSYS (and their 28TB engine by year end!), Hilton, Marriott, S1, and others. I've been to those sites multiple times over the past 13 years....hmmm? There ARE some other customers than Wal-Mart...what say you now? > > > > 5) Look up every nook and cranny (this one should be fun for OTC to > > respond to I'm sure!) for opportunities for spreading the product and > > it's presence - when onsite, traveling, and speaking to clients. > > > > Uh huh. Why? What's in it for me? Uh....nothing. Cause you'll never be happy. > > > > Am I disappointed by what HAS happened? Well of course. I was going to > > retire at Informix, and enjoy the income from the stock. What happened > > is TRAGIC. But statements and rantings like yours does NOTHING to > > further the cause. > > > > > What cause? > > > > Get involved with some of the stuff I detailed above. Run for the IIUG > > board. Write some papers. Take 1/3 of the time spent on here...and use > > it to make a contribution. > > > > IIUG? Certainly you've got to be kidding. Write papers? Sure. In exchange for money. Anyway...I want a non-crippled version of the engine. Show me something I get in exchange for getting involved in a product that nobody but Walmart knows about. Tit for tat. Quid Pro Quo. There has to be an offer from the vendor that compels me or my young friends to use it, develop their apps with, etc etc etc. And here is the real kicker....YOU could have been writing papers SINCE the acquisition FOR MONEY! Yes - for MONEY. It's called "Developerworks", and many, many clients have contributed AND been paid for their efforts. But no - you decide to write here..FOR NO MONEY. What say you to this? > > I've been involved with almost every facet of Informix since 1995, and have always been connected to customers. And that crowd includes many that post here on CDI too. Take a survey...many of us have authored or co-authored books (me, Ron, Lester, ...) Many of us have received recognition from the IIUG and IBM for our efforts (me, Art, Jonathon, John M...). Many of us have written for DeveloperWorks (me, Jacques, Madison...), and actually been paid for our efforts. Many of us have written articles. And last I checked, none of my publishing, scripting, whatever had anything to do with Wal-Mart. Like I said - there is a "team" of us that do this - because we have passion and want to make a contribution that is positive and can stand a chance to further the technology. Wanna join us? If not - I wish you the best, and hate to see another Informix cronie head down the "other product road". Sad but true, we all know it is happening. But those of us who have chosen to stay will continue to stay the course...just like it's always been....from way back....from 1995 for me and earlier for some. My family has grown from 4 teenagers when I started to now 4 grown-kids and 4 grandkids. And I am still making a living with the product I have given 13 years to... Mark Scranton Informix 1995-2006 > > > Mark Scranton > > Informix 1995-2006 > > > >