Re: PEAR DB 1.6.0 has been released

"Buck" <buck@bitchslap.com> wrote in message news:<ZwKZb.13416$j8.3860@fe08.usenetserver.com>... > First of all you make the wrong assumption that I spam, secondly, implying > that I put the message out about PEAR. I have nothing to do with spam or > PEAR. I do however, read this group as well as others, and APPRECIATE news > like what was posted about PEAR. This was something we rarely see anymore, > instead it's pontificating turds like you that clog up the threads. Your > comments as well as the other turds was completely inappropriate. Internet > poop clogging up the thought waves. > > Newsgroups are about information sharing, discussions, and open, public > communication. PEAR is an open source contribution, available even for > dumbshits like you. Obviously you don't understand that, as well as the > other cry-babies who had to chime in and post their ignorance. Even worse, > you have to include links to even more of your stinky ignorance. > > Those that can't, teach. > > Heh-heh... Now go teach! Hmm. you seem to claim some knowledge about Newsgroups, and decry the ignorance of others. You claim groups are open yet you post with a dummy email address. But it is you that has no real understanding. Newsgroups are not CHAT ROOMS where any topic is allowed. The similarity to chat rooms is that newsgroups tend to have unique cultures. And if you know anything about newgroups, you know that you should read a group for a time to get an idea of what is appropriate and what ISN'T appropriate. These meta-topic discussions serve to show the culture of the group (often showing that it is not monolithic too!). News groups are named to at least SUGGEST their purpose. Hence there exists both a comp.database.oracle.misc and a comp.databases.oracle.marketplace And topics seldom cross group boundaries. The advert that triggered this thread belongs in the marketplace group and at the very least is OFF TOPIC in the .misc group. Newsgroups have Charters that describe the topic area. So if you have any doubt, do a little homework and find out for yourself what belongs and doesn't belong in this group. Now a weed is just a flower that's in the wrong place and newsgroup SPAM is a posting in the wrong place. Some of us like to be neat, putting things in their proper place. You apparently prefer things to be sloppy. (Sloppy desks might be okay but not sloppy code or newsgroup postings.) If you wish to read about new products for ORACLE, then subscribe to the marketplace group. Then when the PEAR posting does appear there properly, we can both be happy. Ed

SPAM has been typically identified the world over as unsolicited marketing messages of typically commercial products of one form or another, in email, and of course newsgroups. But announcements about open source projects with their latest release can hardly be called "SPAM" when it's an announcement to people that would most likely be interested in it. Of course people like you who don't know what it is shoot off your posts of poop and denounce a perfectly legitimate post. This is why you and others were properly defined as internet turds, clogging up the newsgroup with your poop, creating even more traffic than the original announcement. Instead of thanking the person that made the announcement we saw mans' inhumanity to man once again, the typical unimaginative poop coming in all upset about messages that offended you without thinking about how it might have been a benefit. You and a lot of people actually think you have a god-given right to have email and newsgroups. By the way most of the newsgroups in this thread have plenty of useless chat in many of the threads having nothing to do with anything other than silly banter. Poop away with more poop! "Ed prochak" <ed.prochak@magicinterface.com> wrote in message news:4b5394b2.0402241402.5fb8c186@posting.google.com... > Hmm. you seem to claim some knowledge about Newsgroups, and decry the > ignorance of others. You claim groups are open yet you post with a > dummy email address. But it is you that has no real understanding. > > Newsgroups are not CHAT ROOMS where any topic is allowed. The > similarity to chat rooms is that newsgroups tend to have unique > cultures. And if you know anything about newgroups, you know that you > should read a group for a time to get an idea of what is appropriate > and what ISN'T appropriate. These meta-topic discussions serve to show > the culture of the group (often showing that it is not monolithic > too!). > > News groups are named to at least SUGGEST their purpose. Hence there > exists both a > comp.database.oracle.misc > and a > comp.databases.oracle.marketplace > And topics seldom cross group boundaries. The advert that triggered > this thread belongs in the marketplace group and at the very least is > OFF TOPIC in the .misc group. > > Newsgroups have Charters that describe the topic area. So if you have > any doubt, do a little homework and find out for yourself what belongs > and doesn't belong in this group. > > > Now a weed is just a flower that's in the wrong place > and newsgroup SPAM is a posting in the wrong place. > Some of us like to be neat, putting things in their proper place. > You apparently prefer things to be sloppy. > (Sloppy desks might be okay but not sloppy code or newsgroup > postings.) > > If you wish to read about new products for ORACLE, then subscribe to > the marketplace group. Then when the PEAR posting does appear there > properly, we can both be happy. > > Ed

Nonsense wrote: > SPAM In comp.databases.informix, your posting was fine. I suspect the same was true of comp.databases.ibm-db2, but would defer to the denizens of that group if there is disagreement. It appears that your posting to comp.databases.oracle.server and comp.databases.oracle.misc was misguided under the rules of those groups. In future, post to comp.databases.oracle.marketplace - simply to avoid the barrage of negative emails. I agree that it seems unnecessarily hostile - maybe they simply aren't attuned to open source. -- Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com Guardian of DBD::Informix v2003.04 -- http://dbi.perl.org/

Thanks Mr Leffler for your response. We are closing out this ticket. Should you have any further inquiries regarding this newsgroup pile 'o poop please refer to this ticket number: ipp9091 -IPP Customer Support- - Internet Poop Patrol - Cleaning up the internet newsgroup community one diaper at a time "Jonathan Leffler" <jleffler@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:rqT_b.8456$aT1.5985@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Nonsense wrote: > > > SPAM > > In comp.databases.informix, your posting was fine. I suspect the same > was true of comp.databases.ibm-db2, but would defer to the denizens of > that group if there is disagreement. > > It appears that your posting to comp.databases.oracle.server and > comp.databases.oracle.misc was misguided under the rules of those > groups. In future, post to comp.databases.oracle.marketplace - simply > to avoid the barrage of negative emails. I agree that it seems > unnecessarily hostile - maybe they simply aren't attuned to open source. > > > -- > Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> > Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2003.04 -- http://dbi.perl.org/ >

Jonathan Leffler wrote: > Nonsense wrote: > >> SPAM > > > In comp.databases.informix, your posting was fine. I suspect the same > was true of comp.databases.ibm-db2, but would defer to the denizens of > that group if there is disagreement. > > It appears that your posting to comp.databases.oracle.server and > comp.databases.oracle.misc was misguided under the rules of those > groups. In future, post to comp.databases.oracle.marketplace - simply > to avoid the barrage of negative emails. I agree that it seems > unnecessarily hostile - maybe they simply aren't attuned to open source. Au contraire. We are very attuned to open source. But when one allows one vendor to post a message all others take that as an invitation: Open season. It is incumbent upon all persons posting to all usenet groups to read the group's charter and follow it. The Oracle group's charter specifically sets aside a group for such messages. At the very least those that post are guilty of being rude. And that alone is enough to justify calling them spammers and to encourage others to not do business with them. Even Oracle Corp. itself is not exempt from following the rules. If someone finds it too much of a burden to read the Charter and follow the rules likely they are no someone we would wish to do business with. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Jonathan Leffler <jleffler@earthlink.net> writes: >It appears that your posting to comp.databases.oracle.server and >comp.databases.oracle.misc was misguided under the rules of those >groups. I think this is still open to debate - I can't see anything in the charter of oracle.misc that would make it against the rules - but we will discuss this on the Oracle groups themselves. Personally I am pleased to hear about free software related to Oracle and I don't consider it spam for the simple reason that no money is involved. I completely agree with the people who say they will never give money to spammers, but in this case it's irrelevant because free software projects do not require payment. -- Ed Avis <ed@membled.com>

Daniel, Your latest post has been marked as "POOP" and entered into our database. Additionally, our judges have downgraded your status from rock to lime. Ratings are determined solely on the quality your posts, if you can somehow produce better quality communications we will of course upgrade your rating. As you may or may not know, diamond is our highest rating, dirt is our lowest. Lime is one rating up from dirt, so you may want to consider some sort of training to get your posts back to Rock. You can appeal our decision after 30 days, by submitting proof of a diaper change. A digital image of a clean diaper is typically enough to get the status changed, but the image must contain a picture of you holding the diaper and it must not show the slightest hint of skid marks or other soil. If the judges do not grant the appeal you can usually get upgraded in 60 days automatically if you have not had any other posts of a nature that would show soil. Incidentally, PEAR is not written by a commercial entity, and is not a commercial business or enterprise or vendor as you had erroneously stated. PEAR is a contribution from the Open Source community to the PHP developer community. PHP connects to many databases, as well as being one of the most popular programming environments available, and is completely free of charge to anyone that wants to use it. Announcements about PEAR and PHP are not SPAM. Posts like yours are however, completely stinky POOP. -IPP- "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:1077725344.716058@yasure... > Jonathan Leffler wrote: > > Nonsense wrote: > > > >> SPAM > > > > > > In comp.databases.informix, your posting was fine. I suspect the same > > was true of comp.databases.ibm-db2, but would defer to the denizens of > > that group if there is disagreement. > > > > It appears that your posting to comp.databases.oracle.server and > > comp.databases.oracle.misc was misguided under the rules of those > > groups. In future, post to comp.databases.oracle.marketplace - simply > > to avoid the barrage of negative emails. I agree that it seems > > unnecessarily hostile - maybe they simply aren't attuned to open source. > > Au contraire. We are very attuned to open source. But when one > allows one vendor to post a message all others take that as an > invitation: Open season. > > It is incumbent upon all persons posting to all usenet groups to > read the group's charter and follow it. The Oracle group's charter > specifically sets aside a group for such messages. > > At the very least those that post are guilty of being rude. And > that alone is enough to justify calling them spammers and to > encourage others to not do business with them. Even Oracle Corp. > itself is not exempt from following the rules. If someone finds > it too much of a burden to read the Charter and follow the rules > likely they are no someone we would wish to do business with. > > -- > Daniel Morgan > http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp > http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp > damorgan@x.washington.edu > (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply) >

"SkidMark" <pooppatrol@internetpoop.org> wrote in message news:<LiU_b.4605$zZ3.4338@fe12.usenetserver.com>... > Thanks Mr Leffler for your response. > > We are closing out this ticket. > > Should you have any further inquiries regarding this newsgroup > pile 'o poop please refer to this ticket number: ipp9091 > > -IPP Customer Support- > > - Internet Poop Patrol - > Cleaning up the internet newsgroup community one diaper at a time > > "Jonathan Leffler" <jleffler@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:rqT_b.8456$aT1.5985@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Nonsense wrote: > > > > > SPAM > > > > In comp.databases.informix, your posting was fine. I suspect the same > > was true of comp.databases.ibm-db2, but would defer to the denizens of > > that group if there is disagreement. > > > > It appears that your posting to comp.databases.oracle.server and > > comp.databases.oracle.misc was misguided under the rules of those > > groups. In future, post to comp.databases.oracle.marketplace - simply > > to avoid the barrage of negative emails. I agree that it seems > > unnecessarily hostile - maybe they simply aren't attuned to open source. > > > > > > -- > > Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> > > Email: jleffler@earthlink.net, jleffler@us.ibm.com > > Guardian of DBD::Informix v2003.04 -- http://dbi.perl.org/ > > THIS ... is the funniest thing that I have seen in quite some time I really have no wish to be the wiper of other people's bottoms. I also have no real desire to change diapers, unless I was fortunate to impregnate one of the hotest dieties on this planet (better odds of hitting the lotteries that I do not participate in). I wish you much success in policing the ... sailing the seas of cheese ... as far as attuned to open source - post the link to freshmeat.net, and don't force me to view the souce. paying the cost to be the boss, Pd