Getting to the analysts and consultants

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> Oh, almost forgot ... the name of the global consulting company that told > the customer that Informix is Legacy? Hang on, I have it here somewhere > .... here it is ... it's "IBM Global Services". SHOOT THE BASTARDS. Superboer. way fast=http://www.clipjes.nl/clip/nederlands/n/normaal_- _oerend_hard.html

Superboer wrote: >> Oh, almost forgot ... the name of the global consulting company that told >> the customer that Informix is Legacy? Hang on, I have it here somewhere >> .... here it is ... it's "IBM Global Services". > > > SHOOT THE BASTARDS. > > Superboer. > > way fast=http://www.clipjes.nl/clip/nederlands/n/normaal_- > _oerend_hard.html Too quick - boil them in their own vomit

> From: srielau@ca.ibm.com > > .... here it is ... it's "IBM Global Services". > Can you send me background on this by email? I'm pretty sure Arvind > won't be pleased. If you don't trust me send it to Jonathan or Madison. :-) > Serge, Perhaps I need to be a bit more specific. Arvid et al work in SWG, IM. IGS different division. S&D different division. While this is an IGS issue, S&D does become a factor because of the role of the Client Rep. You have to understand that the issue is a tad more complex than Oracle vs IBM's IDS and that from Arvind's position, its a battle he will never win. No offense, you're in the Lab and you have little to no interaction with IGS/BCS and S&D on a regular basis. Trust me, its not the PWC guys who are the problem. (Actually the PWC partners that I've met were actually very good. IGS Public Sector? Not so nice.) Now here's the sad fact of life. If IGS is pushing Oracle, the SSR or Data specialist rep has no chance in hell of turning it around. Again, its the client rep who calls the shots. This is one of the many reasons why in SMB and white space, Informix is gaining ground. But hey! What do I know? Nothing like being cross matrixed to S&D and given the short end of a stick covered in shite! ;-) -Gumby _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008

I'd like to see the background of this situation posted here. --- Serge Rielau <srielau@ca.ibm.com> wrote: > Captain Pedantic wrote: > > From the IIUG January newsletter: > > > >>> [Stuart Litel wrote]: Many times users select > their database product > >>> based on consulting organizations. These > consulting organizations want > >>> the most business possible, so they pick the > database that will get the > >>> job done, but not do it too efficiently, hence > more dollars for the > >>> consulting company. Another reason is companies > just don't know any > >>> better. ...Well that is the case with those that > do not select Informix - > >>> they simply do not know any better. > > > > Yes! I work closely at a customer site with a > global consulting company. > > The customer is planning to upgrade its warehouse > system, which currently > > runs on IDS. The global consulting company told > the customer - no word of a > > lie! - that they should move away from Informix > and to Oracle as "Informix > > is legacy". > > > > So yes, I agree, there's a huge educational issue > to the uncoverted needed. > > And, actually, despite all the relative > Tam-Tam-Ta-Ra around Cheetah, it's > > the publicity to those other than The Converted > that remains lacking. > > > > Oh, almost forgot ... the name of the global > consulting company that told > > the customer that Informix is Legacy? Hang on, I > have it here somewhere > > .... here it is ... it's "IBM Global Services". > Can you send me background on this by email? I'm > pretty sure Arvind > won't be pleased. If you don't trust me send it to > Jonathan or Madison. :-) > > Cheers > Serge > -- > Serge Rielau > DB2 Solutions Development > IBM Toronto Lab > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Serge Rielau wrote: > Gumby, > > I'm getting tired of being patronized by you. > Serge always uses too many words. 5 from the sentence above would have done it. If it was me, I would have just used two.

> From: markbtownsend@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Getting to the analysts and consultants> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:59:02 -0800> To: informix-list@iiug.org> > Serge Rielau wrote:> > > Gumby,> > > > I'm getting tired of being patronized by you.> > > > > Serge always uses too many words. 5 from the sentence above would have > done it. If it was me, I would have just used two. Well Mark, what can I say to such a busy Oracle executive that we should feel graced by his presence? Oh wait! I'm channeling Timmy now! Sorry about that... Serge walked in to that one. First, by the time you're hearing about this, the deal is done and gone and its too late to change anything. Second, there are so many ways that the client team can spin this, that there's no fear of repercussions from promoting Oracle over IDS. Hell son, I've seen S&D teams do far worse and walk away unscathed. Hey Serge, ask Danny A. about a trip he once took to Chicago... Hell we drank our dinner that night. I scored some BlackHawks tickets just hopping for a fight to break out on the ice. The point is if you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you can win. Having Mike A. chew out a DB2 staffer for slaming IDS is one thing. Its all within the pillar. Picking a fight with IGS and S&D is another. You're not going to win. Period, end of story. Unlike Serge, I've been there. Mutiple times. And have the scars to prove it. L8r _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

Captain Pedantic wrote: > From the IIUG January newsletter: > >>> [Stuart Litel wrote]: Many times users select their database product >>> based on consulting organizations. These consulting organizations want >>> the most business possible, so they pick the database that will get the >>> job done, but not do it too efficiently, hence more dollars for the >>> consulting company. Another reason is companies just don't know any >>> better. ...Well that is the case with those that do not select Informix - >>> they simply do not know any better. > > Yes! I work closely at a customer site with a global consulting company. > The customer is planning to upgrade its warehouse system, which currently > runs on IDS. The global consulting company told the customer - no word of a > lie! - that they should move away from Informix and to Oracle as "Informix > is legacy". > > So yes, I agree, there's a huge educational issue to the uncoverted needed. > And, actually, despite all the relative Tam-Tam-Ta-Ra around Cheetah, it's > the publicity to those other than The Converted that remains lacking. > > Oh, almost forgot ... the name of the global consulting company that told > the customer that Informix is Legacy? Hang on, I have it here somewhere > .... here it is ... it's "IBM Global Services". Can you send me background on this by email? I'm pretty sure Arvind won't be pleased. If you don't trust me send it to Jonathan or Madison. :-) Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab

Gumby, I'm getting tired of being patronized by you. My request was to C. Pedantic, not you. He can choose to help change or not. For me to fail I first need the opportunity to do so. :-) Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab

Mark Townsend said: > Serge Rielau wrote: > >> Gumby, >> >> I'm getting tired of being patronized by you. >> > > > Serge always uses too many words. 5 from the sentence above would have > done it. If it was me, I would have just used two. "Go away"? :o) -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > "Go away"? :o) Even Oracle's Business Conduct guidelines will hardly allow Mark to use stronger language. ;-) Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab