Re: ids Digest, Vol 106, Issue 6
Informix was the technical winner but Oracle won the market share and sales war. They used FUD to effectively win sales, new vendor, product applications, internet applications and startups, promisinyyrythe world delivered late and 1/2 the world. Oracle traded short term product revenue for long-term Total revenue (sales plus support). Sent from my iPod On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:49 AM, ids-request@iiug.org wrote: > Send new ids mailing list postings to > ids@iiug.org > > If replying to a posting, the message number must appear on the > Subject line. This will maintain the discussion thread. The message > number is inside square brackets (e.g. [102]). You may edit the rest > of the Subject line. > > To subscribe or unsubscribe log in to the Member Area of > http://www.iiug.org and click on "Subscribe to E-mail Lists". > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ids-owner@iiug.org > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Informix/Oracle [33666] (Fernando Nunes) > 2. Re: Informix/Oracle [33667] (BENJAMIN THOMPSON) > 3. Re: Informix/Oracle [33668] (Jerry Keesee) > 4. Re: Informix/Oracle [33669] (Art Kagel) > 5. Re: Informix/Oracle [33670] (Jack Parker) > 6. Re: Informix/Oracle [33671] (Fernando Nunes) > 7. Re: Informix/Oracle [33672] (BENJAMIN THOMPSON) > 8. Re: Informix/Oracle [33673] (Art Kagel) > 9. Re: Informix/Oracle [33674] (Fernando Nunes) > 10. Re: DE Edition [33675] (Kate Bellsouth) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 07:14:00 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Informix/Oracle [33666] > To: ids@iiug.org > Message-ID: <20140905111400.6D27DA24B@perform.iiug.org> > > Expected from a competitor who assumes customers are not well informed. > He probably is stuck in 2001 when that was the "official Oracle speech". > The problem is that 13 years have passed, and IBM launched the following > Informix versions: > 9.40, 10, 11.10, 11.50, 12.10. > 5 major versions in 13 years. On average 1 each 2.6 years. Not bad for a > product with no roadmap. > It could be better if I included 9.3 which I think was released by IBM, but > with little to no influence. > It's your choice to trust the future based on FUD from competitors or the > past history from IBM. And if you know Informix you know the great features > IBM have been putting in Informix. > > I'd recommend this blog post, apologizing for self promotion: > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/10-years-of-ibm-10-anos-de-ibm .html > > It was written 3 years ago... You just have to add up 12.10 version to the > bunch... It doesn't change the global idea... just enforces it... > > As for HA options... HDR, multiple RSS, multiple SDS, ER... > I think we have plenty options... But if you need some technical > clarification... > > As for the FUD... When he says to you (he will) that IBM doesn't have a > public roadmap for Informix, ask him to show you the public roadmap Oracle > has for their database. > When you get a public document that has real features and not vaporware > come back to us :) > > Regards. > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:13 AM, FLIP VAN WYNGAARDT <flipv@raf.co.za> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I received the following comments from an Oracle Sales person: >> >> "Please note the below note to add in your motivation: >> >> IBM does not have a road map for Informix, making it a stagnant product and >> there is a possibility of little to zero support for Informix. >> >> High availability is an issue for Informix, therefore if RAF regards the >> Informix DB as mission critical then they might want to have it available >> 24/7. >> >> The abovementioned points are usually the reason why a customer would >> consider >> moving to Oracle database" >> >> Please give me your comments on this statement. >> >> Thanks > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --001a11c2d676e3963905024f8f19 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 07:15:52 -0400 (EDT) > From: "BENJAMIN THOMPSON" <benjamin.thompson@bskyb.com> > Subject: Re: Informix/Oracle [33667] > To: ids@iiug.org > Message-ID: <20140905111552.98164A2E3@perform.iiug.org> > > I think it's clear that these are just made up reasons that might work on less > clued-up customers or ones who favour Oracle in any case. It's FUD. > > A quick google found this roadmap presentation for VNext+ and VNext++. > > http://www.informix.nu/pagang/Informix_v12_1_Highlights-RoadMap-2013%20and%20Bey ond-v1.pdf > > If I wanted to pick a weakness in Informix, high availability would not be it. > There is little than can be done with DataGuard, RAC and GoldenGate than > cannot be achieved with Informix flexible grid. Oracle's implementations are > not perfect or have trade-offs: RAC can reduce performance for applications > unless the workload can be split out so that nodes in the cluster do not need > access to the same blocks. > > As I look after both databases, I can think of some areas where Oracle is > stronger but it's horses for courses and I agree with the consensus that many > apps are easier to run and may run faster on Informix. > > I think the lesson here is to do your own research and testing and don't trust > salespeople :) > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 07:17:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Jerry Keesee" <jkeesee@us.ibm.com> > Subject: Re: Informix/Oracle [33668] > To: ids@iiug.org > Message-ID: <20140905111704.BB934A032@perform.iiug.org> > > Hi, > > I appreciate all of you who have responded on this. We are continually > adding significant enhancements to the product. We also continue to add > new customers. You can't keep a business alive without new customers, > partners, and enhancements to technology. > > Regards, > Jerry Keesee > > From: "Lloyd S" <lloyd_s@rediffmail.com> > To: ids@iiug.org > Date: 09/05/2014 06:31 AM > Subject: Re: Informix/Oracle [33662] > Sent by: ids-bounces@iiug.org > > Agree with you Flip, blame it on IBM its step father. Informix won't get > new > customers but those have been using Informix for more than 10 years know > how > good it is. > I have a customer who is still using his mission critical system on