DB2 and Oracle -- where's Informix?
No, I don't work for Uncle Mikey, but this headline required further reading. Just wondering if anyone else saw this and what the reactions are. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139182/IBM_calls_new_DB2_grid_feature_an_Oracle_Exadata_killer_ .. "flagship DB2 database" .. No marketing of course. All databases are treated equally. Some are more equal than others. John Carlson
> .. "flagship DB2 database" .. No marketing of course. All databases > are treated equally. Some are more equal than others. Funny. It think it was B. Spang (mentioned in the computer world article) from IBM who said in the past that it would be better not to call any data server of IBM a "flagship database". Now I understand what he was trying to say: - don't call IDS a "flagship database for embedded solutions" - don't call IDS a "flagship database for OLTP" - don't call IDS a "flagship database for the MAC" - don't call IDS a "flagship database for SMB" - don't call IDS a "flagship cluster database" BUT - it is always welcome to call DB2 a "flagship database" in every imaginable area I personally would recommend a more critical standpoint against IBM both to the Informix customers as well as to the IIUG. It is obvious that IBM tells a different story of the truth to the faithful Informix community.
On 14 Okt., 09:30, eherber <e...@herber-consulting.de> wrote: > > .. "flagship DB2 database" .. No marketing of course. All databases > > are treated equally. Some are more equal than others. > > Funny. It think it was B. Spang (mentioned in the computer world > article) from IBM who > said in the past that it would be better not to call any data server > of IBM a > "flagship database". Now I understand what he was trying to say: > > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for embedded solutions" > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for OLTP" > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for the MAC" > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for SMB" > - don't call IDS a "flagship cluster database" > > BUT > > - it is always welcome to call DB2 a "flagship database" in every > imaginable area > > I personally would recommend a more critical standpoint against IBM > both to > the Informix customers as well as to the IIUG. It is obvious that IBM > tells a different > story of the truth to the faithful Informix community. To follow up on this, please vote here: http://www.informix-zone.com/node/865
> From: jwcarlson1@yahoo.com.invalid > Subject: DB2 and Oracle -- where's Informix? > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:49:31 -0400 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > No, I don't work for Uncle Mikey, but this headline required further > reading. Just wondering if anyone else saw this and what the reactions > are. > > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139182/IBM_calls_new_DB2_grid_feature_an_Oracle_Exadata_killer_ > > .. "flagship DB2 database" .. No marketing of course. All databases > are treated equally. Some are more equal than others. > And this is just starting to sink in now? Geez, I've been talking about this problem (ad nauseum) for years! The point is that IBM still doesn't treat IDS as anything but a poor bastid step child. You can blame all of the 3 top tier senior level execs within DM for this. Sorry Jerry, but you're up there too. You can blame your WW Sales organization and WW Marketing organization. No offense to DB2, but there's a reason why IBM hides IDS. They don't want to get in to a benchmark war where one database outperforms another and its their own products duking it out. They don't want to educate their sales force. Sure they have/had 'all hands sales calls'. Ever been on one? I have. Plenty of them. They're a waste of time and they don't do jack. We can even look at the university program being launched in conjunction with the IIUG. Great you have a club level effort that won't win anyone's real hearts and minds. Sorry to dump on NJ's pet project, but yeah, its not reaching the audience which will have the better ROI. I equate this to one of Steve Balmer's Windows 7 Launch party kits. Yeah, IBM is going to be in a world of hurt. They just don't understand their numbers. You know, the numbers we don't see? ;-) -G _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
I believe the sentence "flagship database" is not in the IBM press release. It appears to be a sentence used by the press, not the press release. Assuming this is so, we can of course discuss why the press has this idea... Incompetence, IBM fault etc... Regards On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:12 AM, eherber <eric@herber-consulting.de> wrote: > On 14 Okt., 09:30, eherber <e...@herber-consulting.de> wrote: > > > .. "flagship DB2 database" .. No marketing of course. All databases > > > are treated equally. Some are more equal than others. > > > > Funny. It think it was B. Spang (mentioned in the computer world > > article) from IBM who > > said in the past that it would be better not to call any data server > > of IBM a > > "flagship database". Now I understand what he was trying to say: > > > > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for embedded solutions" > > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for OLTP" > > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for the MAC" > > - don't call IDS a "flagship database for SMB" > > - don't call IDS a "flagship cluster database" > > > > BUT > > > > - it is always welcome to call DB2 a "flagship database" in every > > imaginable area > > > > I personally would recommend a more critical standpoint against IBM > > both to > > the Informix customers as well as to the IIUG. It is obvious that IBM > > tells a different > > story of the truth to the faithful Informix community. > > To follow up on this, please vote here: > > http://www.informix-zone.com/node/865 > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently...