Re: IIUG Board election results

Why is this so ooh oooooohhoo important? Informix is a product that will be measured by the market, nothing more. More importantly, why is the IIUG so important to warrant such a rant? Who really cares??????? Is Informix gaining market share because of anything the IIUG has done? If they have done some good, then that's a great thing, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. Really. It's true. Informix is still an unknown in the market. Until somebody actually markets the product it doesn't really matter. Really. It's true. Really. 8-) slickwillie999@gmail.com wrote: > It's no surprise that the current board president does whatever he > likes...even when someone raises a serious concern, nobody takes it > seriously. > > Neil was on the board before the chaos started, and left right before > the dictatorship ensued. I don't believe Neil was able to get any > favour as many do now. > > Gumby - well, as one poster said, his comments are to be ignored > because they're just "shite." > > Jean-Georges - he knows exactly what is going on, but as most, is so > terrified by the current board mgmt that no comments as to any > wrongdoing will be made. > > Mr. Mosser - you have been a long-time Informix heavy-hitter. I cannot > believe that you would not raise an eyebrow of concern over this. And > to make light and spend many, many paragraphs ridiculing the post is > just unacceptable. > > The poster of this original said clearly that he had inside > information within IBM - this should be taken seriously. > > There are many, many that know what is going on with the current > board. It has nothing to do with "if you can do a better job, > then...". The current president has selectively removed those - > including 3 IBM liasons that left knowing it was a futile effort - who > would challenge him. The current board knows this, but they too will > not speak up. > > I do hope others will jump in. > > And OTC - how's about you get off your little wagon about anonymous > postings - last I checked YOU have been anonymous for how long? How > does that work? And you are very, very critical of all-comers. Again - > how does that work? > > Slick W. > > > > On Feb 10, 8:59 pm, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> I wondered if it would be ironic for me to make a comment about someone> anonymous attacking someone known, on the internet, but then the> space-time continuum ripped and I disappeared up my own arsehole.> > -- > Bye now,> Obnoxio> >> By all means, go ahead. He started it. >> >> Having been on the board, sure there's some questionable transactions, but nothing underhanded or illicit. In fact, its because the IIUG doesn't charge for membership that these issues arose. As OTC points out, if you can find a better value, go for it. >> >> I don't think that there's anyone on the board who is a saint. But they're all volunteers and trying their best. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail'-get your "fix".http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx >

InDeep wrote: > Why is this so ooh oooooohhoo important? > > Informix is a product that will be measured by the market, nothing more. > > More importantly, why is the IIUG so important to warrant such a rant? > > Who really cares??????? Is Informix gaining market share because of > anything the IIUG has done? If they have done some good, then that's > a great thing, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. The IDC seems to care http://www.oninit.com/article/newstracker.php?id=26 Cheers Paul Paul Watson Tel: +1 913-400-2620 Mob: +1 913-387-7529 Web: www.oninit.com Failure is not as frightening as regret. If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid.

"Paul Watson (Oninit LLC)" <paul@oninit.com> wrote in message news:SvqdnXSxv86xcy7aRVnyhQA@pipex.net... > InDeep wrote: >> Why is this so ooh oooooohhoo important? >> >> Informix is a product that will be measured by the market, nothing more. >> >> More importantly, why is the IIUG so important to warrant such a rant? >> >> Who really cares??????? Is Informix gaining market share because of >> anything the IIUG has done? If they have done some good, then that's >> a great thing, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. > > The IDC seems to care > > http://www.oninit.com/article/newstracker.php?id=26 Yes, but ... This is a good paper and I'm glad to see you publicising it. You know though, don't you, that it was commissioned by IBM? Well, of course you know, you'll have had to get permission to put it on your website. Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the Oracle-commissioned reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup.

On Feb 14, 3:58 am, "Captain Pedantic" <theharlequi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Paul Watson (Oninit LLC)" <p...@oninit.com> wrote in messagenews:SvqdnXSxv86xcy7aRVnyhQA@pipex.net... > > > InDeep wrote: > >> Why is this so ooh oooooohhoo important? > > >> Informix is a product that will be measured by the market, nothing more. > > >> More importantly, why is the IIUG so important to warrant such a rant? > > >> Who really cares???????  Is Informix gaining market share because of > >> anything the IIUG has done?  If they have done some good, then that's > >> a great thing, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. > > > The IDC seems to care > > >http://www.oninit.com/article/newstracker.php?id=26 > > Yes, but ... > > This is a good paper and I'm glad to see you publicising it.  You know > though, don't you, that it was commissioned by IBM?  Well, of course you > know, you'll have had to get permission to put it on your website. > > Not to "diss" the report.  It's good collateral for Informix.  But don't > pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the Oracle-commissioned > reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup. InDeep - In "the grand scheme of things", you're simply to ignorant to know enough to understand the need to care. Slick

Separate the product from the organization. The rant was about the IIUG not the product. You took this thread as a self-serving moment to promote your services, completely dismissing the thread. Why don't you try again and write something relevant to the thread. Paul Watson (Oninit LLC) wrote: > InDeep wrote: >> Why is this so ooh oooooohhoo important? >> >> Informix is a product that will be measured by the market, nothing more. >> >> More importantly, why is the IIUG so important to warrant such a rant? >> >> Who really cares??????? Is Informix gaining market share because of >> anything the IIUG has done? If they have done some good, then that's >> a great thing, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. > > The IDC seems to care > > http://www.oninit.com/article/newstracker.php?id=26 > > Cheers > Paul > > Paul Watson > Tel: +1 913-400-2620 > Mob: +1 913-387-7529 > Web: www.oninit.com > > Failure is not as frightening as regret. > If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid. >

slickwillie999@gmail.com wrote: > On Feb 14, 3:58 am, "Captain Pedantic" <theharlequi...@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> "Paul Watson (Oninit LLC)" <p...@oninit.com> wrote in messagenews:SvqdnXSxv86xcy7aRVnyhQA@pipex.net... >> >>> InDeep wrote: >>>> Why is this so ooh oooooohhoo important? >>>> Informix is a product that will be measured by the market, nothing more. >>>> More importantly, why is the IIUG so important to warrant such a rant? >>>> Who really cares??????? Is Informix gaining market share because of >>>> anything the IIUG has done? If they have done some good, then that's >>>> a great thing, but in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. >>> The IDC seems to care >>> http://www.oninit.com/article/newstracker.php?id=26 >> Yes, but ... >> >> This is a good paper and I'm glad to see you publicising it. You know >> though, don't you, that it was commissioned by IBM? Well, of course you >> know, you'll have had to get permission to put it on your website. >> >> Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't >> pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the Oracle-commissioned >> reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup. > > InDeep - > > In "the grand scheme of things", you're simply to ignorant to know > enough to understand the need to care. > > Slick Nice flame bait... Unfortunately you not only wasted a great opportunity to reply, you replied to me about a comment I didn't make! The IIUG may be big in your world, but nobody outside the IIUG board of directors cares. Really. Nobody cares. Not even the general population of IIUG members. Really. You're wasting your time--which is what I'm doing! :-)

> From: theharlequin36@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:58:32 +0000 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't > pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the Oracle-commissioned > reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup. > Informix is the IT industry's dirty little secret. Everybody uses it but are unwilling to talk about it. Thats the truth. Try getting certain financial firms that run Informix's now defunct financial foundation? Talk to Motorola, or even Cisco that embed the product. Of course under Janet, even IBM didn't want to mention Informix's IDS. But hey! What do I know? ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/

Captain Pedantic said: > Not to "diss" the report. Go wash your mouth out with soap, you reprobate! -- Bye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > From: theharlequin36@hotmail.com > > Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:58:32 +0000 > > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > > Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't > > pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the > Oracle-commissioned > > reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup. > > > > Informix is the IT industry's dirty little secret. Everybody uses it but > are unwilling to talk about it. > > Thats the truth. Try getting certain financial firms that run Informix's > now defunct financial foundation? > Talk to Motorola, or even Cisco that embed the product. > > Of course under Janet, even IBM didn't want to mention Informix's IDS. > > But hey! What do I know? ;-) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more. > <http://biggestloser.msn.com/>; Gumby You were more interesting when you were drunk. I think you used to talk about your favorite single malt, which is much more interesting than anything else you post. Personally I think a good martini and a puff of pot is far more engaging, but that's just me. ;-)

Indeep, Sometimes when you know too much, its a bad thing. You may accidentily talk about things that you're not supposed to know and may not be good for public consumption. Speaking about consumption, I never posted drunk. The reason I love a good single malt is that you have to take your time and drink it slowly. This is so you can appreciate the subtle blend of flavors. I'd say the same thing about red wines, but I now get headaches from the sufides. With respect to a good Martini, I hope you meant vodka and not gin. And even with vodka, the quality of vodka will greatly effect the taste. (Yes, the trouble is that I have a licquor store, Binny's, two blocks away and they carry a shit load of great stuff to try.) But I'd be careful about drinking, and lighting up while posting. Both are depressents and frankly some of the posts made here are depressingly pathetic. I mean no offense, but why hasn't anyone talked about combining IDS's security and HA capabilitys to make a suburb back end to an e-commerce system? > From: indeep@indeep.com> Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:10:31 -0800> To: informix-list@iiug.org> > Ian Michael Gumby wrote:> > > > > > > From: theharlequin36@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results> > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:58:32 +0000> > > To: informix-list@iiug.org> > > > >> > > Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't> > > pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the > > Oracle-commissioned> > > reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup.> > >> > > > Informix is the IT industry's dirty little secret. Everybody uses it but > > are unwilling to talk about it.> > > > Thats the truth. Try getting certain financial firms that run Informix's > > now defunct financial foundation?> > Talk to Motorola, or even Cisco that embed the product.> > > > Of course under Janet, even IBM didn't want to mention Informix's IDS.> > > > But hey! What do I know? ;-)> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more. > > <http://biggestloser.msn.com/>>; > Gumby> > You were more interesting when you were drunk. I think you used to talk> about your favorite single malt, which is much more interesting than anything> else you post.> > Personally I think a good martini and a puff of pot is far more engaging,> but that's just me.> > ;-)> > _______________________________________________> Informix-list mailing list> Informix-list@iiug.org> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

On Feb 15, 10:05 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Indeep, > > Sometimes when you know too much, its a bad thing. You may accidentily talk about things that you're not supposed to know and may not be good for public consumption. > > Speaking about consumption, I never posted drunk. The reason I love a good single malt is that you have to take your time and drink it slowly. This is so you can appreciate the subtle blend of flavors.  I'd say the same thing about red wines, but I now get headaches from the sufides. > > With respect to a good Martini, I hope you meant vodka and not gin. And even with vodka, the quality of vodka will greatly effect the taste. (Yes, the trouble is that I have a licquor store, Binny's, two blocks away and they carry a shit load of great stuff to try.) > > But I'd be careful about drinking, and lighting up while posting. > Both are depressents and frankly some of the posts made here are depressingly pathetic. > > I mean no offense, but why hasn't anyone talked about combining IDS's security and HA capabilitys to make a suburb back end to an e-commerce system? > > > From: ind...@indeep.com> Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:10:31 -0800> To: informix-l...@iiug.org> > Ian Michael Gumby wrote:> > > > > > > From: theharlequi...@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results> > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:58:32 +0000> > > To: informix-l...@iiug.org> > > > >> > > Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't> > > pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the > > Oracle-commissioned> > > reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup.> > >> > > > Informix is the IT industry's dirty little secret. Everybody uses it but > > are unwilling to talk about it.> > > > Thats the truth. Try getting certain financial firms that run Informix's > > now defunct financial foundation?> > Talk to Motorola, or even Cisco that embed the product.> > > > Of course under Janet, even IBM didn't want to mention Informix's IDS.> > > > But hey! What do I know? ;-)> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more. > > <http://biggestloser.msn.com/>>; > Gumby> > You were more interesting when you were drunk. I think you used to talk> about your favorite single malt, which is much more interesting than anything> else you post.> > Personally I think a good martini and a puff of pot is far more engaging,> but that's just me.> > ;-)> > _______________________________________________> Informix-list mailing list> Informix-l...@iiug.org>http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix".http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx I guess "knowing too much" doesn't include spelling and grammar. (ie: licquor, capabilitys, its). Or perhaps InDeep was right - this is a great example of Gumby posting drunk. He just doesn't know it. (I guess I should add "not knowing your drunk" to the not included list of "knowing too much.") It's (not its) such a great source of entertainment when some repeatedly talks about the intelligence they possess, but make speling (sic) mistake after speling (sic) mistake, quickly complimented by impressive gramar (sic). To add more laughter to this most recent Gumby dialogue, he continues to expound on his knowledge of (a great yuppy trend) - licquor (sic) and red wine. Next we'll hear about cigars...yet another great "are you impressed yet?" trend. I compliment InDeep though - his combination of martini and pot....one end is yuppie haven, the other hippie-ville. Well just call it "yippie" for now. Well - it made ME laff (sic). Slickster

slickwillie999@gmail.com wrote: > On Feb 15, 10:05 am, Ian Michael Gumby <im_gu...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Indeep, >> >> Sometimes when you know too much, its a bad thing. You may accidentily talk about things that you're not supposed to know and may not be good for public consumption. >> >> Speaking about consumption, I never posted drunk. The reason I love a good single malt is that you have to take your time and drink it slowly. This is so you can appreciate the subtle blend of flavors. I'd say the same thing about red wines, but I now get headaches from the sufides. >> >> With respect to a good Martini, I hope you meant vodka and not gin. And even with vodka, the quality of vodka will greatly effect the taste. (Yes, the trouble is that I have a licquor store, Binny's, two blocks away and they carry a shit load of great stuff to try.) >> >> But I'd be careful about drinking, and lighting up while posting. >> Both are depressents and frankly some of the posts made here are depressingly pathetic. >> >> I mean no offense, but why hasn't anyone talked about combining IDS's security and HA capabilitys to make a suburb back end to an e-commerce system? >> >>> From: ind...@indeep.com> Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:10:31 -0800> To: informix-l...@iiug.org> > Ian Michael Gumby wrote:> > > > > > > From: theharlequi...@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results> > > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:58:32 +0000> > > To: informix-l...@iiug.org> > > > >> > > Not to "diss" the report. It's good collateral for Informix. But don't> > > pretend that it's any more independent than, say, the > > Oracle-commissioned> > > reports sometimes criticised on this newsgroup.> > >> > > > Informix is the IT industry's dirty little secret. Everybody uses it but > > are unwilling to talk about it.> > > > Thats the truth. Try getting certain financial firms that run Informix's > > now defunct financial foundation?> > Talk to Motorola, or even Cisco that embed the product.> > > > Of course under Janet, even IBM didn't want to mention Informix's IDS.> > > > But hey! What do I know? ;-)> > > > > > -------------- ----------------------------------------------------------> > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more. > > <http://biggestloser.msn.com/>>; > Gumby> > You were more interesting when you were drunk. I think you used to talk> about your favorite single malt, which is much more interesting than anything> else you post.> > Personally I think a good martini and a puff of pot is far more engaging,> but that's just me.> > ;-)> > _______________________________________________> Informix-list mailing list> Informix-l...@iiug.org>http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail'-get your "fix".http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx > > I guess "knowing too much" doesn't include spelling and grammar. (ie: > licquor, capabilitys, its). Or perhaps InDeep was right - this is a > great example of Gumby posting drunk. He just doesn't know it. (I > guess I should add "not knowing your drunk" to the not included list > of "knowing too much.") It's (not its) such a great source of > entertainment when some repeatedly talks about the intelligence they > possess, but make speling (sic) mistake after speling (sic) mistake, > quickly complimented by impressive gramar (sic). To add more laughter > to this most recent Gumby dialogue, he continues to expound on his > knowledge of (a great yuppy trend) - licquor (sic) and red wine. Next > we'll hear about cigars...yet another great "are you impressed yet?" > trend. > > I compliment InDeep though - his combination of martini and pot....one > end is yuppie haven, the other hippie-ville. Well just call it > "yippie" for now. Well - it made ME laff (sic). > > Slickster I think it could be argued that posting sober is almost as dangerous as posting 'un-sober'. I like the yippie approach, it allows less alcohol over time and yet achieves the same result. But back to your original posting about the IIUG. The IIUG is a hybrid organization, or should I say hydra organization, having two or more main goals in its charter, depending on where you stand. If you're at IBM, it's a low-cost ( read cheap ) way to market to the installed base of users of a product. If you're an IIUG member, you could have the impression that the IIUG is there to represent end-user interests. If you're a VAR it's yet another organization to market into and out of. The point is, while you might argue your view, in the grand scheme of things the people that really care about any of it are the ones with the purse strings, and as long as they are happy, nothing you say will matter. From the end-user perspective, you have almost no access to what's really going on other than outbound communications about monthly events. So complaining about things in a public forum is almost pointless unless you can bring some facts to the table and not gossip. Even if you have facts you had better be very prepared to back them up, and I'd be very cautious about complaining publicaly, especially when most of the people you will reach will be able to do little if anything to help. Your complaints my friend are simply the tree falling in the forest with no one there to hear it fall. Or if it were actually heard, there are other sounds of money making more noise, and thus making your complaint even more irrelevant. If you want to be more effective, I'd say post a solution and generate some grass roots momentum. It's harder than you think, and will consume most if not all of your time.

You are to (sic) slick Willie. j. Sane ego te vocavi. Forsitan capedictum tuum desit. -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org]On Behalf Of slickwillie999@gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:23 AM To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: IIUG Board election results I guess "knowing too much" doesn't include spelling and grammar. (ie: licquor, capabilitys, its). Or perhaps InDeep was right - this is a great example of Gumby posting drunk. He just doesn't know it. (I guess I should add "not knowing your drunk" to the not included list of "knowing too much.") It's (not its) such a great source of entertainment when some repeatedly talks about the intelligence they possess, but make speling (sic) mistake after speling (sic) mistake, quickly complimented by impressive gramar (sic). To add more laughter to this most recent Gumby dialogue, he continues to expound on his knowledge of (a great yuppy trend) - licquor (sic) and red wine. Next we'll hear about cigars...yet another great "are you impressed yet?" trend. I compliment InDeep though - his combination of martini and pot....one end is yuppie haven, the other hippie-ville. Well just call it "yippie" for now. Well - it made ME laff (sic). Slickster _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list