Re: database market share 2003

Serge Rielau wrote: > Unfortunately I don't have the Gartner report (The summary used to be > free :-(, But an interesting number to look at may be tracking the > Windows share. > IBM Entered that market with DB2 V5 I believe. The Unix market was > entered with the prior release. > For being the last one entering the game I think DB2 has been doing > quite nicely :-) > > Cheers > Serge If you define the Windows database marketplace as one that doesn't contain MS Access and MS Fox? I've yet to run into a single instance of DB2 on Windows ... or for that matter DB2 on non-IBM hardware. Do they exist? Of course. But they are few and far between. And almost all in companies that have DB2 on an IBM platform already. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

> I've yet to run into a single instance of DB2 on Windows ... or for > that matter DB2 on non-IBM hardware. Do they exist? Of course. But > they are few and far between. And almost all in companies that have > DB2 on an IBM platform already. > -- > Daniel Morgan This is complete nonsense. Unless you consider all IBM compatible PC servers to be IBM's (which of course is not the case). DB2 UNIX runs on HP/UX and Sun Solaris. Many large companies run on these two non-IBM hardware platforms. I personally have used DB2 on Solaris quite a few time.

And I can say that across about half a dozen customers that I have in the NY Metro area, I have two that are using DB2 on Solaris (and in both cases, they did not have DB2 on any other platform prior to Solaris). Larry Edelstein Mark A wrote: >>I've yet to run into a single instance of DB2 on Windows ... or for >>that matter DB2 on non-IBM hardware. Do they exist? Of course. But >>they are few and far between. And almost all in companies that have >>DB2 on an IBM platform already. >>-- >>Daniel Morgan > > > This is complete nonsense. Unless you consider all IBM compatible PC servers > to be IBM's (which of course is not the case). > > DB2 UNIX runs on HP/UX and Sun Solaris. Many large companies run on these > two non-IBM hardware platforms. I personally have used DB2 on Solaris quite > a few time. > >

Mark A wrote: >>I've yet to run into a single instance of DB2 on Windows ... or for >>that matter DB2 on non-IBM hardware. Do they exist? Of course. But >>they are few and far between. And almost all in companies that have >>DB2 on an IBM platform already. >>-- >>Daniel Morgan > > > This is complete nonsense. Unless you consider all IBM compatible PC servers > to be IBM's (which of course is not the case). > > DB2 UNIX runs on HP/UX and Sun Solaris. Many large companies run on these > two non-IBM hardware platforms. I personally have used DB2 on Solaris quite > a few time. You can't call the fact that I, personally, have never run into DB2 on Windows nonsense. And you sure can't dig your way out of it by making reference to HP and Sun hardware unless you are somehow equating Solaris with a Microsoft product. So I'll try the statement again ... I ... that means mean personally, in 35 years in this industry ... seen DB2 on Windows in any organization that didn't have DB2 also on another IBM platform such as a mainframe or AS400. I can not be wrong about my personal experience. If you wish to prove that my personal experience is somehow skewed and not representative of the database market as a whole ... then here's how you can do it. Publish official numbers showing the number of DB2 licenses, on MS Windows, that are in companies that are not also using DB2 on mainframes or AS400. Simple. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Larry wrote: > And I can say that across about half a dozen customers that I have in > the NY Metro area, I have two that are using DB2 on Solaris (and in both > cases, they did not have DB2 on any other platform prior to Solaris). > > Larry Edelstein And I wouldn't begin to disagree with you. Of course we both know that Solaris is not Windows and that what I wrote was: "I've yet to run into a single instance of DB2 on Windows ... or for that matter DB2 on non-IBM hardware" Which part of my use of the word Windows made both you and Mark immediately run out and decide to talk about Solaris rather than address the reference to Windows? ... I know ... and I'm sorry I added the second part of the sentence. But while your experience may be valid in the NY Metro area ... it is not my experience from any site I am aware of on the West Coast. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Daniel Morgan wrote (in part): > So I'll try the statement again ... I ... that means mean personally, in > 35 years in this industry ... seen DB2 on Windows in any organization > that didn't have DB2 also on another IBM platform such as a mainframe > or AS400. > > I can not be wrong about my personal experience. > Could it be that people smart enough to select DB2 are smart enough to select an OS other than Windows? ;-) -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\\ Registered Machine 241939. /( )\\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 20:05:00 up 8 days, 3:20, 4 users, load average: 4.08, 4.10, 3.88

Jean-David Beyer wrote: > Daniel Morgan wrote (in part): > >> So I'll try the statement again ... I ... that means mean personally, in >> 35 years in this industry ... seen DB2 on Windows in any organization >> that didn't have DB2 also on another IBM platform such as a mainframe >> or AS400. >> >> I can not be wrong about my personal experience. >> > Could it be that people smart enough to select DB2 are smart enough to > select an OS other than Windows? ;-) I would certainly hope so. That was certainly my experience when I worked with DB2. Yet somewhere back a few days ago in this thead someone was trying to make the case for DB2's great success on the Windows platform. Why I can't imagine. Putting DB2, or for that matter Oracle, Informix, or Sybase on Windows to me means that you don't need to be up 7x24 and accept the fact that the machine will be down frequently for patching and virus fighting (caveat: unless you are one of those people that believes firewalls are fool proof). -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

> You can't call the fact that I, personally, have never run into > DB2 on Windows nonsense. And you sure can't dig your way out of it > by making reference to HP and Sun hardware unless you are somehow > equating Solaris with a Microsoft product. > > So I'll try the statement again ... I ... that means mean personally, in > 35 years in this industry ... seen DB2 on Windows in any organization > that didn't have DB2 also on another IBM platform such as a mainframe > or AS400. > > I can not be wrong about my personal experience. > > If you wish to prove that my personal experience is somehow skewed and > not representative of the database market as a whole ... then here's > how you can do it. > > Publish official numbers showing the number of DB2 licenses, on MS > Windows, that are in companies that are not also using DB2 on mainframes > or AS400. Simple. > > -- > Daniel Morgan I didn't say anything about your "personal experience." I just said your comments are nonsense. If you prefer: "your [limited] experience is non-sense." I have seen many DB2 installations on Windows. Since you live in Washington state, where there is an extreme MS bias, most companies use MS SQL Server on Windows. That combination is strong, but not quite as dominant in other parts of the country. Excluding all companies that also run DB2 on OS/390 and AS/400 is quite restrictive. I believe that are over 2000 companies who use DB2 on IBM mainframes. The number of companies that run AS/400 (or I series) is in the tens of thousands, and DB2 comes with the OS. So you seem to be excluding a huge percentage of the largest 5000 companies in the US (most of whom have at least one IBM mainframe running DB2 or an AS/400 which comes with DB2). So your comments are ridiculous (again). Double-talk. Non-Sense.

Daniel, What was your motivation in making the statement that you have never seen DB2 on Windows? You know the answer. You were trying to disparage DB2's presence in the distributed marketplace. And distributed means not only Windows ... but UNIX also. That's why I answered your statement with a personal experience with UNIX. There are pleny of customers who run DB2 on UNIX ... who don't want to run DB2 (or any rdbms) on Windows. Larry Edelstein Daniel Morgan wrote: > Larry wrote: > >> And I can say that across about half a dozen customers that I have in >> the NY Metro area, I have two that are using DB2 on Solaris (and in >> both cases, they did not have DB2 on any other platform prior to >> Solaris). >> >> Larry Edelstein > > > And I wouldn't begin to disagree with you. Of course we both know > that Solaris is not Windows and that what I wrote was: > > "I've yet to run into a single instance of DB2 on Windows ... or for > that matter DB2 on non-IBM hardware" > > Which part of my use of the word Windows made both you and Mark > immediately run out and decide to talk about Solaris rather than > address the reference to Windows? ... I know ... and I'm sorry I > added the second part of the sentence. But while your experience > may be valid in the NY Metro area ... it is not my experience > from any site I am aware of on the West Coast. >

"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:1085961757.451220@yasure... [snip] I'll just mention that I did a stint at one of Australia's largest insurance companies as a DB2 administrator. They used 4 NT4 servers. And there were no AS400s or mainframes in the vicinity at the time. Which was a good 10 years ago now. I'm not commenting on whether that makes DB2 on Windows common or rare. Or suggesting that this somehow invalidates your experience. Just thought I'd share! Regards HJR

Larry wrote: > Daniel, > > What was your motivation in making the statement that you have never > seen DB2 on Windows? You know the answer. You were trying to disparage > DB2's presence in the distributed marketplace. And distributed means not > only Windows ... but UNIX also. That's why I answered your statement > with a personal experience with UNIX. There are pleny of customers who > run DB2 on UNIX ... who don't want to run DB2 (or any rdbms) on Windows. > > Larry Edelstein Is paranoia a prerequisite for working with DB2 these days? I was responding to a statement that said it was successful on that platform by stating I'd yet to see it implemented that way once. Now if a statement of fact is disparaging so be it. If my experience is not the norm, as you and Mark seem to wish to indicate ... where are the numbers? Or is asking for numbers a vicious attack? -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Howard J. Rogers wrote: > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message > news:1085961757.451220@yasure... > [snip] > > I'll just mention that I did a stint at one of Australia's largest insurance > companies as a DB2 administrator. They used 4 NT4 servers. And there were no > AS400s or mainframes in the vicinity at the time. Which was a good 10 years > ago now. > > I'm not commenting on whether that makes DB2 on Windows common or rare. Or > suggesting that this somehow invalidates your experience. Just thought I'd > share! > > Regards > HJR It doesn't invalidate my experience any more than my experience invalidates yours. All of the times I've seen DB2 have been on mainframes but then, as you know, also in Fortune 1000 size companies which is primarily where I ply my trade. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)