migrating ids 10.00.UC10 to 11.50.FC6 (64-bit)

I'm going to face the following challenge:=20 Have to migrate an 10.00.UC instance with 39 databases, 17 dbspaces, 95=20 chunks, 224 GB to 11.50.FC. Unfortunately the layout of dbspaces is poor and table extents need to be=20 optimized. Therefore I'd prefer a non in-place migration, but outage has to be less=20 than 8h. Data movement utilities as mentioned in the Migration Guide=20 (dbexport/dbimport, HPL, distributed queries) will probably not meet the=20 aims. So what about replication? Is it possible to bring up a well laid-out new server, create the=20 databases from optimized dbschemata, replicate data while work is going on= =20 and then switch to the new server?? Please let me know. os is aix. Thank you. Wolfgang ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Barmenia Krankenversicherung a. G. Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit;=20 Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3871; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0047 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Barmenia Allgemeine Versicherungs-AG Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = Aktiengesellschaft; Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3033; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0025 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Barmenia Lebensversicherung a. G. Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit; Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3854; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0058 =20

Take a look in the member area on iiug.org, conference cownloads, conference 2009. The presentation is named "D16_Privett_Upgrade_to_11.50_with_ER.pdf", held by Ron Privett. May be it can give you a first idea. Regards, Joerg Volz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- -----Original Message----- From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:09 PM To: ids@iiug.org Subject: migrating ids 10.00.UC10 to 11.50.FC6 (64-bit) [19605] I'm going to face the following challenge:=20 Have to migrate an 10.00.UC instance with 39 databases, 17 dbspaces, 95=20 chunks, 224 GB to 11.50.FC. Unfortunately the layout of dbspaces is poor and table extents need to be=20 optimized. Therefore I'd prefer a non in-place migration, but outage has to be less=20 than 8h. Data movement utilities as mentioned in the Migration Guide=20 (dbexport/dbimport, HPL, distributed queries) will probably not meet the=20 aims. So what about replication? Is it possible to bring up a well laid-out new server, create the=20 databases from optimized dbschemata, replicate data while work is going on= =20 and then switch to the new server?? Please let me know. os is aix. Thank you. Wolfgang ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---= ------- Barmenia Krankenversicherung a. G. Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit;=20 Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3871; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0047 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---= ------- Barmenia Allgemeine Versicherungs-AG Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = Aktiengesellschaft; Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3033; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0025 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---= ------- Barmenia Lebensversicherung a. G. Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit; Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3854; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0058 =20 ************************************************************************ ******* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. IT Handel und Beratung Jorg Volz Bernhard-Fruh-Str. 7 77855 Achern GERMANY Tel: +49 (0)7841-681651 Fax: +49 (0)7841-681654 Mobil: +49 (0)170-2989757 VAT-ID: DE201383541 http://www.it-volz.de

Absolutely! You can use Enterprise Replication (ER) to replicate your data onto the new server and keep it in sync until the switchover. After switchover you can even keep the older version up-to-date for a time until you are comfortable that the new database is operating correctly with your applications in case you have to fall back to 10.00. Art Art S. Kagel Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com) IIUG Board of Directors (art@iiug.org) See you at the 2010 IIUG Informix Conference April 25-28, 2010 Overland Park (Kansas City), KS www.iiug.org/conf Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own opinions and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor any other organization with which I am associated either explicitly, implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated nor those of the entities themselves. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:09 PM, wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de < wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de> wrote: > I'm going to face the following challenge:=20 > > Have to migrate an 10.00.UC instance with 39 databases, 17 dbspaces, 95=20 > chunks, 224 GB to 11.50.FC. > Unfortunately the layout of dbspaces is poor and table extents need to > be=20 > optimized. > Therefore I'd prefer a non in-place migration, but outage has to be less=20 > than 8h. > Data movement utilities as mentioned in the Migration Guide=20 > (dbexport/dbimport, HPL, distributed queries) will probably not meet the=20 > aims. > > So what about replication? > Is it possible to bring up a well laid-out new server, create the=20 > databases from optimized dbschemata, replicate data while work is going on= > =20 > and then switch to the new server?? > > Please let me know. > > os is aix. > > Thank you. > Wolfgang > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Barmenia Krankenversicherung a. G. > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - > = > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: > = > Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit;=20 > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3871; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0047 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Barmenia Allgemeine Versicherungs-AG > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - > = > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: > = > Aktiengesellschaft; > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3033; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0025 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Barmenia Lebensversicherung a. G. > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - > = > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: > = > Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit; > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3854; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0058 > > =20 > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > --001636c5bb84a7f0210483ec0102

On 10 April 2010 18:09, wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de <wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de> wrote: > I'm going to face the following challenge:=20 > > Have to migrate an 10.00.UC instance with 39 databases, 17 dbspaces, 95=20 > chunks, 224 GB to 11.50.FC. > Unfortunately the layout of dbspaces is poor and table extents need to be=20 > optimized. > Therefore I'd prefer a non in-place migration, but outage has to be less=20 > than 8h. > Data movement utilities as mentioned in the Migration Guide=20 > (dbexport/dbimport, HPL, distributed queries) will probably not meet the=20 > aims. > > So what about replication? > Is it possible to bring up a well laid-out new server, create the=20 > databases from optimized dbschemata, replicate data while work is going on= > =20 > and then switch to the new server?? > > Please let me know. > > os is aix. > > Thank you. > Wolfgang > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Barmenia Krankenversicherung a. G. > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = > Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit;=20 > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3871; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0047 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Barmenia Allgemeine Versicherungs-AG > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = > Aktiengesellschaft; > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3033; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0025 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= > ------- > Barmenia Lebensversicherung a. G. > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich - = > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des Unternehmens: = > Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit; > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3854; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0058 > > =20 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > Wolfgang The only issue you might encounter is that to use ER each table being replicated must have a primary key defined. So depending on the original design and set up of your databases you could have quite a bit of preliminary work to identify and define unique indexes and then primary keys, and ensure thay don't break your applications. Also ER at these versions require some additional sbspaces. Finally you were talking about an in-place migration which implies upgrading on a single server, ER relies on TCP connectivity between the servers so you will need to define TCP NETTYPES if you are not already using them. Keith

Hello, you can do a testrun of the distributed query migration scenario (without stopping production): Install and configure the new server, create tables (raw, without indices/constraints). You can do that easily from dbschema outputs. Copy table data an measure runtimes (in parallel, large tables with own processes). Create indices/constraints with PDQ afterwards. Runtime will probably depend on the performance of the old server. Watch out for single large tables - they might determine the total runtime! Check, if you can migrate parts of the data in advance (or later on) - historical data etc.) ? Give it a try. If you can't meet your downtime requirements , you can use that at least as a test for performance and quality of the new hardware/configuration/layout. 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April 2010 09:34 > An: ids@iiug.org > Betreff: Re: migrating ids 10.00.UC10 to 11.50.FC6 (64-bit) [19619] > > On 10 April 2010 18:09, wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de > <wolfgang.voss@barmenia.de> wrote: > > I'm going to face the following challenge:=20 > > > > Have to migrate an 10.00.UC instance with 39 databases, 17 dbspaces, > 95=20 > > chunks, 224 GB to 11.50.FC. > > Unfortunately the layout of dbspaces is poor and table extents need to > be=20 > > optimized. > > Therefore I'd prefer a non in-place migration, but outage has to be > less=20 > > than 8h. > > Data movement utilities as mentioned in the Migration Guide=20 > > (dbexport/dbimport, HPL, distributed queries) will probably not meet > the=20 > > aims. > > > > So what about replication? > > Is it possible to bring up a well laid-out new server, create the=20 > > databases from optimized dbschemata, replicate data while work is going > on= > > =20 > > and then switch to the new server?? > > > > Please let me know. > > > > os is aix. > > > > Thank you. > > Wolfgang > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---= > > ------- > > Barmenia Krankenversicherung a. G. > > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich > - = > > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des > Unternehmens: = > > Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit;=20 > > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3871; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0047 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---= > > ------- > > Barmenia Allgemeine Versicherungs-AG > > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich > - = > > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des > Unternehmens: = > > Aktiengesellschaft; > > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3033; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0025 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---= > > ------- > > Barmenia Lebensversicherung a. G. > > Vorstand: Dr. h. c. Josef Beutelmann (Vorsitzender) - Dr. Andreas Eurich > - = > > Norbert Lessmann - Heinz-Werner Richter - Martin Risse > > Aufsichtsrats-Vors.: G=C3=BCnter V=C3=B6lker; Rechtsform des > Unternehmens: = > > Versicherungsverein auf Gegenseitigkeit; > > Sitz: Wuppertal; Amtsgericht Wuppertal HRB 3854; St.-Nr. 132/5906/0058 > > > > =20 > > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > ***** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > Wolfgang > > The only issue you might encounter is that to use ER each table being > replicated must have a primary key defined. So depending on the > original design and set up of your databases you could have quite a > bit of preliminary work to identify and define unique indexes and then > primary keys, and ensure thay don't break your applications. Also ER > at these versions require some additional sbspaces. Finally you were > talking about an in-place migration which implies upgrading on a > single server, ER relies on TCP connectivity between the servers so > you will need to define TCP NETTYPES if you are not already using > them. > > Keith > > > ************************************************************************** > ***** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.