RE: {Spam?} RE: Something all DBAs should see!
> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:47:33 +0000 > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: {Spam?} RE: Something all DBAs should see! > > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > > From: obnoxio@serendipita.com > > > > > > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > > > > > http://www.cloudera.com/blog/2009/11/11/hadoop-world-rethinking-the-data-warehouse-with-hadoop-and-hive-from-ashish-thusoo/ > > > > > > > > You may not believe in Hadoop/HBase, but here's a good presentation on > > > > building a world class large scale data warehouse. > > > > > > That's nice, Gumby, but let's just look at this: they're not using ANY > > > database. They're not even using Hadoop. They are building their very > > > own database specifically to underpin their business. I suspect that > > > Facebook is also full of programmers who like nothing more than creating > > > their own infrastructure, so they didn't investigate commercial options > > > very thoroughly. > > > > > Huh? > > No truer words spoken from a clown. > > > > Let me think.... > > The speaker is talking at a Hadoop conference and he's talking about > > using Hive. > > Hive just happens to be a sub project under Apache's Hadoop. > > Yeah, so they're using completely unmodified Hadoop, are they? No > splits? No "contributions"? Oh ... ! > Uhm yes. Sort of. Cloudera is one of the companies heavily involved. They have their own distribution, which is being used by a lot of different people. Of course event though this is under and Apache license, Cloudera has submitted their stuff which will be in future releases. So its not a split, just that it will take some time for Apache's Hadoop to catch up. However, HBase 0.20.1x will run on Cloudera's 0.20.1x release. (Cloudera only releases Hadoop and not HBase) > > > This will, I predict, bite them severely in the arse, if it hasn't > > > already. But you'll never hear about it. It would fuck their IPO or > > > share price. > > > > > LOL. > > > > Spoken like a true dinosaur. > > I mean, sure if Facebook was worried, they wouldn't talk about it. > > But what about Amazon, Yahoo!, Google, and others? > > Oh Look! There's an IBM logo somewhere up there. > > Yeah, because none of them use bespoke software to underpin their > business, do they? > > Fucking hell, Gumby, Amazon are so far out there that they've given as a > completely different computing paradigm. It's called the cloud. They > just had the money and the resource to struggle through all the > complexities and make it work. But very few businesses need that much of > an out-there thing and have the money so that they are prepared to go > through the pain of inventing a completely new paradigm. > Au contraire mon ami! There are a lot of companies looking at this. As to money, what's the list price of IDS Enterprise Edition on a dual socket quad core Intel box? Now how many dual socket Quad core boxes with 16-32 GB of memory and tons of cheap SATA disks (JBOD) can you buy for that one server's license? ;-) Forget about the cost of running the racks and racks of machines in the cluster, but just the hardware costs? > Well, that doesn't exactly bolster your case, does it? I firmly believed > from the outset that Linux would be a game changer. I entirely agree > that Informix screwed the pooch with the Linux port. And having said all > those things *I* think that this port would be a complete waste of time > and money. > > I'm not speaking for IBM here, or second-guessing them. *I* don't think > anyone would buy a Hadoop DataBlade, and I'd far rather IBM spent the > money they'd spend on a Hadoop DataBlade on a benchmark or marketing. > (Wishful thinking, I know!) > I think you misunderstand the danger to IBM if they don't spend the time and consider this. Sure IBM's BCS will invest in clouds and cloud technology. But IBM will never do a benchmark for IDS unless its a new benchmark and they don't want to try and market DB2 to fill that niche. Of course it would also mean IBM's IM management team ditching the poor brainwashed slobs who only think of DB2 when someone askes about IBM's flagship database. ;-) > So far ahead of the curve, he's up his own arse, you mean? :o) > Naw. Sorry, but that's one of the reasons I left IBM. I'm not in to having things inserted in my anal cavity. Gumby doesn't play that way. I wonder if I should ask some of the heritage Informix folk if they enjoy playing BOHICA! [SNIP] > > Because you clown, suppose I invest the time and energy. What's my ROI > > when IBM can and will release the same thing behind me? Who'll buy my > > They will? You really think that they wouldn't just buy you out? > No. They would not. ;-) > And I will now proceed to pleasure myself with this fish. > And I wonder why you have such an affinity for IBM. (No I'm not going to say where he's sticking the fish head! You can use your own imagination. :-) I would usually say "But hey! What do I know... But after the potential image of a clown having anal sex with a fish, I think I'm going to puke now." -G _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/