RE: Looking for a job...
Posted in 2006
Not a technical troubleshooting thread. It starts as a job-wanted post from IIUG board member Jean Georges Perrin (seeking project manager/R&D lead work, resume at his site), with a jab about his MySQL experience and one useful tip: an "informix-alumni" Yahoo group that posts openings, plus an offer to pass his resume along. It then drifts into an opinion debate over whether IBM should promote Informix SE (or IDS) with PHP as the "next-generation 4GL" to compete with the free, easy-to-install MySQL/LAMP stack, versus the view that free versions won't win over developers who just use what's already there. No conclusion or resolution is reached.
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Is your resume current? It doesn't look like you're using IDS at all anymore,,,, not since 2002. And, *cough*, *cough*,,,MySQL????? -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Jean Georges Perrin Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:13 AM To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: RE: Looking for a job... Gee > -----Original Message----- > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org > [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Double Echo > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 03:19 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: Re: Looking for a job... > > Jean Georges Perrin wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I am looking for a job, if someone has an idea, I am pretty > open those > > days :)... > > > > > > Jean Georges Perrin (aka jgp) > > IIUG (International Informix Users Group) - Board of Directors > > http://www.iiug.org <http://www.iiug.org/> jgp@iiug.org > > -- > > > > > > > > What kind of job are you looking for? Project Manager/Director / R&D Team Lead... Here's the short version: Working as an IT engineer, software specialist, combining more than decade of professional experience, of which 8 years in project management in interna-tional and heterogeneous environments. Always dedicated to a "business-aware" and "customer-driven" way of managing projects; with excellent com-munication skills; I have a clear desire to move forward and supply you with the "extra mile". The longer version is on www.jgp.net. > Where do you want to work? Anywhere on Earth, but close to my family! > What happened to the job you had? It still exists (at least as of today), I don't want to comment that much. Thanks for asking, jgp _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
He can apply Informix SE skills to MySQL, the LAMP stack is really hot these days. Incidentally, MySQL went with the same program Informix originally did, they have worked closely with an application toolset that presents to developers a complete package, MySQL and PHP. This is why Informix 4GL was so successful, it was a complete package for developers. MySQL is still maturing, but it has the magic mix, a great database for developers. PHP with a database. 4GL with a database. The database succeeds because of the tools, not the other way around. ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget about 4GL. PHP _is_ the next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with IBM and get them up to speed with PHP/Informix SE ) Hamilton, Jerry wrote: > Is your resume current? It doesn't look like you're using IDS at all > anymore,,,, not since 2002. > > And, *cough*, *cough*,,,MySQL????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org > [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Jean Georges Perrin > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:13 AM > To: informix-list@iiug.org > Subject: RE: Looking for a job... > > Gee > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org >> [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Double Echo >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 03:19 >> To: informix-list@iiug.org >> Subject: Re: Looking for a job... >> >> Jean Georges Perrin wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I am looking for a job, if someone has an idea, I am pretty >> open those >>> days :)... >>> >>> >>> Jean Georges Perrin (aka jgp) >>> IIUG (International Informix Users Group) - Board of Directors >>> http://www.iiug.org <http://www.iiug.org/> jgp@iiug.org >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >> What kind of job are you looking for? > Project Manager/Director / R&D Team Lead... Here's the short version: > Working as an IT engineer, software specialist, combining more than > decade of professional experience, of which 8 years in project > management in interna-tional and heterogeneous environments. Always > dedicated to a "business-aware" and "customer-driven" way of managing > projects; with excellent com-munication skills; I have a clear desire to > move forward and supply you with the "extra mile". > > The longer version is on www.jgp.net. > >> Where do you want to work? > Anywhere on Earth, but close to my family! > >> What happened to the job you had? > It still exists (at least as of today), I don't want to comment that > much. > > Thanks for asking, > > jgp > > _______________________________________________ > Informix-list mailing list > Informix-list@iiug.org > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
JGP - There's an "informix-alumni" group on yahoo that posts job quite often. Most of the work is in the CA area, but not always. I can't remember the URL, but I'm sure you can find it. Also - if you like, send me your resume' - as you know, I see lots of IFMX folks. Best of luck - Mark.
> ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, Why SE? We use PHP with IDS, of course, like all things Informix it works great. > and forget about 4GL. I wish, still lots of that crap around. > PHP _is_ the next generation 4GL. Nah. PHP is great, but there is lots of hype and absurd claims. It aint't all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips. We have an enormous intranet written almost entirely in PHP, it is only a tool in the box; there are lots of apps I wouldn't even think about developing in PHP. > JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with IBM and get them > up to speed with PHP/Informix SE ) There is nothing whatsoever stopping anyone from doing that right now.
Double Echo wrote: > ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget about 4GL. PHP _is_ the > next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with IBM and get them > up to speed with PHP/Informix SE ) > Why with SE? Why not IDS? Cost? If a development suite were no charge (the tools and the database), but production/distribution was where the cost kicked in, would more people develop on that base? Christine
elanleblanc@yahoo.com wrote: > Double Echo wrote: >> ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget about 4GL. PHP _is_ the >> next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with IBM and get them >> up to speed with PHP/Informix SE ) >> > > Why with SE? Why not IDS? Cost? > IDS is too complicated to compete against MySQL. It's not even in the same ballpark. MySQL is an ISAM engine, SE is an ISAM engine. Both require very little to make them work. IDS competes with Oracle, Sybase, other shared memory products that require an advanced knowledge base to make them successful. SE uses the filesystem to create tables in ISAM format, requiring no dbspaces or special containers for the data. It is slightly more sophisticated than BerkeleyDB, another big owner of embedded databases that work at a more primitive level than ISAM, typically used for .htaccess password databases. MySQL is easy to set up, easy to use, compatible with a lot of implementations, both internal intranets and external sites like you find with Internet Service Providers who love MySQL, many who would offer Informix if it were painless to install, and the license is the same as MySQL. A typical MySQL ISAM installation takes 30 seconds, including putting the /etc/init.d/mysql start/stop script in place, and starting the daemon. There is NO license cost to set it up, install, and run MySQL. If you want support you pay for it. See www.mysql.com for support license costs. For example, ISP's install MySQL for the ease of use, relatively maintenance-free environment, 30-second install, and ISAM-tables that require only a mysqldump backup. Restores are quick-n-easy too. Very easy to admin. A typical ISP employs system admins that have to know very little to maintain MySQL, not to mention third-party tool providers like PLesk, Hsphere, phpMyAdmin and other web-based website management tool providers that make the process painless to administer using MySQL. They _only_ use MySQL because it's easy to put in place. You will find more sophisticated sites using not only MySQL, but PostGres, DB2, Oracle. But the website ball gets rolling with the TRUE embedded database, MySQL. MySQL is fast and integrates well with other database engines simply because it is non-intrusive on a system. When you get bigger datasets, then you get an appropriate engine. In the meantime MySQL owns that space. Developers have to have a no-BS offer to use a database engine. That typically means ZERO cost out of pocket. BTW, there are many ISPs who are even offering MS-SQL-Server for websites with an ISP license for those who just can't do without ASP. ( MS-SQL-Server/ASP is the stack for Microsoft developers. ) If you want to understand MySQL, go where MySQL lives, on web servers. What web servers? Apache: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/05/09/may_2006_web_server_survey.html If Apache is the number one web server, what are people doing with it: http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200604/apachemods.html > If a development suite were no charge (the tools and the database), but > production/distribution was where the cost kicked in, would more people > develop on that base? > Yes. If you want support you pay for it. But _YOU_ IBM must have a MySQL clone license if you want to go head-to-head with MySQL. Until you do that developers will question whether or not it is worth their time. You should include ISP's in your marketing so they can become familiar with something a developer would want to use. And you have to announce it outside the Informix family, it has to show up on slashdot, freshmeat, sourceforge, etc. Here's how it works. A developer buys a cheap PC, slaps FREE Linux on it, then downloads or installs the version of MySQL that they want. The license is completely out of the way ( free ), so the developer knows they can develop like a raped ape and make applications they know will work on practically any Linux box, whether it's on a corporate lan or an ISP-hosted system. Totally portable environment. Perl is also big in this space. Now that I've done your research I'll send you an invoice. > Christine >
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 09:33 -0700, elanleblanc@yahoo.com wrote: > Double Echo wrote: > > ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget about 4GL. PHP _is_ the > > next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with IBM and get them > > up to speed with PHP/Informix SE ) > Why with SE? Why not IDS? Cost? > If a development suite were no charge (the tools and the database), but > production/distribution was where the cost kicked in, would more people > develop on that base? Nope, they wouldn't. People might complain 'I want a free version to test', but people who don't research their tools before choosing them (they go with MySQL because that is what is there) and aren't willing to pay for better tools.... will in the end always just use what is there anyway (path of least-resistance/most-apathy). I'm convinced of this; you can't sell fine china to a ogre, if you give it to him he'll probably just use it to play shot-put. And you can get IDS for pretty dirt cheap.
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 09:33 -0700, elanleblanc@yahoo.com wrote: >> Double Echo wrote: >>> ( IBM should be pushing Informix SE with PHP, and forget about 4GL. PHP _is_ the >>> next generation 4GL. JGP maybe you should try to get onboard with IBM and get them >>> up to speed with PHP/Informix SE ) >> Why with SE? Why not IDS? Cost? >> If a development suite were no charge (the tools and the database), but >> production/distribution was where the cost kicked in, would more people >> develop on that base? > > Nope, they wouldn't. People might complain 'I want a free version to > test', but people who don't research their tools before choosing them > (they go with MySQL because that is what is there) and aren't willing to > pay for better tools.... will in the end always just use what is there > anyway (path of least-resistance/most-apathy). I'm convinced of this; > you can't sell fine china to a ogre, if you give it to him he'll > probably just use it to play shot-put. > You obviously don't understand the market, or how MySQL has established its market, or how many companies are actually using MySQL. There is the path of least resistance for a developer, cost being the number one attribute, portability number two. PHP and MySQL meet both these tests. If an application requires something besides MySQL, PHP still passes the test, because of its ubiquity in the market. By the numbers I win hands down friend, by the numbers. PHP is available for practically any database, and has enough features and a huge community to support just about any application you can think of. Developers can take advantage of a totally free application tool using a totally free database. Many very large, very successful companies are actively using PHP and MySQL to develop applications, knowing they will either deploy with MySQL, and eventually link it to a larger database. You just have to think outside the IFMX box and it all starts to make sense. I can deploy a PHP/MySQL database on a website, and basically charge for labor, no overhead in licenses. If the owner of the website wants a bigger database, they can make that choice down the road. Even if I were to go with some other development tool, MySQL wins because there is no overhead cost out of my pocket or the company that is using it unless they want to pay for support. It's a great market. > And you can get IDS for pretty dirt cheap. > Why would I use IDS? Will I be able to find people to support it? How fast can you get it set up and running on a Linux box? How much out of pocket will it cost me? MySQL has been very profitable for me, Informix, well, I don't know anyone who is actively developing with it. All I ever hear is how an IDS system will be migrated to SQL-Server or Oracle, but never hear anything else. And I can bill all damn day and night better billing rates for MySQL than Informix cuz there ain't no Informix work!!! hello! :-) Do I really care if Informix IDS is "pretty dirt cheap", or "better" than MySQL? No!