Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road
Despite the subject line, this thread contains no technical content about migrating from XPS to IDS. It is a personal flame war on comp.databases.informix between regular posters ("Sherlock Holmes"/Ravi, "InDeep", Ian Michael Gumby and others), trading insults over anonymous posting, past IIUG board service, who deserves credit for the 1990s Informix-on-Linux push, and whether IBM markets Informix competently. No problem is posed and no resolution is reached; participants simply declare they are done with the thread. Not worth opening for technical help.
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>2) you have any right to judge me or anyone else, look who is talking. How many times you have abused IBM and IBM employees. I wonder whether you have the balls to say that on someone's face. >last time I was a IIUG director I was nominated unanimously for the >position, so please fuck off and die. yes, the news is there http://www.miug.com/previous/1998/news0698.html Tim, that was ten years ago. No one denies that you were great to informix community at one time. I would be the last person to do so. But for the last many years, you have lost that respect by your incessant nonsense. You are posting only shit now, which except for looney bins like IMG is deemed worthless by the rest. >My interest in Informix is still >as high as it ever was, hoping against hope that the useless fucks at IBM >will get off their asses and do something meaningful with the marketing. and you think your way of engaging IBM (posting as an anonymous runt every 3 months with a new nick) is going to work. if yes, then you are a bigger idiot than you have presented yourself so far.
On Aug 27, 5:22 pm, Sherlock Holmes <2...@bakerstreet.org> wrote: > >2) you have any right to judge me or anyone else, > > look who is talking. How many times you have abused > IBM and IBM employees. I wonder whether you have the > balls to say that on someone's face. > > >last time I was a IIUG director I was nominated unanimously for the > >position, so please fuck off and die. > > yes, the news is therehttp://www.miug.com/previous/1998/news0698.html > > Tim, that was ten years ago. No one denies that you were great > to informix community at one time. I would be the last person > to do so. But for the last many years, you have lost that respect > by your incessant nonsense. You are posting only shit now, which > except for looney bins like IMG is deemed worthless by the rest. > > >My interest in Informix is still > >as high as it ever was, hoping against hope that the useless fucks at IBM > >will get off their asses and do something meaningful with the marketing. > > and you think your way of engaging IBM (posting as an anonymous runt every 3 > months with a new nick) is going to work. if yes, then you are a bigger idiot > than you have presented yourself so far. I'm excited. NOW I know how to get elected unanimously to IIUG Board thanks InGumbyDeep - use great communication skill like "fuck off and die!". With all respect Ravi, if this is example of InGumbyDeep intellect, them he NEVER a true Informix person. Splintter-Speaks-Only-Twuth
Sherlock Holmes wrote: >> 2) you have any right to judge me or anyone else, > > look who is talking. How many times you have abused > IBM and IBM employees. I wonder whether you have the > balls to say that on someone's face. > It'll be easy if I aim correctly. >> last time I was a IIUG director I was nominated unanimously for the >> position, so please fuck off and die. > > yes, the news is there http://www.miug.com/previous/1998/news0698.html > > Tim, that was ten years ago. No one denies that you were great > to informix community at one time. I would be the last person > to do so. But for the last many years, you have lost that respect > by your incessant nonsense. You are posting only shit now, which > except for looney bins like IMG is deemed worthless by the rest. > Ravi, 10 years have indeed gone by, and good that I moved away from Informix for work, otherwise I'd have starved to death. Before you think that I am the only one with my opinions, you should educate yourself before speaking. In your own esteemed opinion you are entitled to say whatever you like, just as I too am entitled to do. Sorry that you don't like my opinions, but I'll continue to direct my statements directly to IBM and not towards anyone unless they want to attack me personally. IBM has a long way to go before they can claim any high ground with Informix. They talk a good story but the market doesn't show much for IDS. I can only conclude that complete idiots or retards are in charge of Informix marketing. They have to be complete dolts, there isn't any other way to go with it. After you get done bashing me, why not ask some pointed questions at IBM and see how far you get. See if whispering sweet nothings to IBM will score you any more points that my approach. At least IBM knows that I'm market-driven and not trying to score points with them, to the point that I don't want anything from IBM other than simply getting IDS out there into the mainstream market. I don't want or need a job from Informix like you or others, I don't want the political benefits, just get the fucking product out there. That's why I post anon, and hope that in the future you fucking jackass that you will respect that. Excuse me now, I have to get back to work, and thankful that I don't depend on IBM or Informix to feed my family. 10 years later since Informix-on-Linux, and what do we have to show for it? Not much. Do I care? Hell yes, and I expect better out of IBM and the people that have kept IDS from succeeding. If you don't get that then you are a bigger idiot than you ever thought I was.
Hey, you missed the real point I wrote:- "and you think your way of engaging IBM (posting as an anonymous runt every 3 months with a new nick) is going to work. if yes, then you are a bigger idiot than you have presented yourself so far." Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never learned the lesson. I am deleting the rest of your insanity plea. It is not something which you have not already told 1000 times before. it is sad state of cdi where the top 3 posters this month are top 3 trolls. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/about
On Aug 27, 4:22 pm, Sherlock Holmes <2...@bakerstreet.org> wrote: > >2) you have any right to judge me or anyone else, > > look who is talking. How many times you have abused > IBM and IBM employees. I wonder whether you have the > balls to say that on someone's face. > Ravi? I guess that'll do. Hey dude! Come to Chicago and I'll tell it to your face. I'll bust the chops of any IBMer who's a slacker or a total idiot. I've done it before and I'll do it again. Why don't you go and do that little homework assignment I asked about. I asked another IBMer and he found some info in about 15 mins. But that didn't tell the whole story. ;-) Go on, check out SIAC.
On Aug 27, 5:30 pm, splint...@ymail.com wrote: NEVER a true Informix person. > > Splintter-Speaks-Only-Twuth That's funny. Weren't you the idiot who created this alias by saying you were a recent Oracle to Informix convert? Then claiming to be an IBMer? Dude! If you can't get your facts straight why should I or Timmy bother playing with you. So go figure out why I keep mentioning SIAC. Ask your best buds who think that they're in the know. Then go talk to Deb Landers.I'd tell you to ask Cathy Priest but she retired.
On Aug 27, 7:11 pm, Sherlock Holmes <2...@bakerstreet.org> wrote: > > it is sad state of cdi where the top 3 posters > this month are top 3 trolls. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/aboutT That's funny. Two of the top 3 posters know a hell a lot more that you do. Troll.
Wow, This is really a positive thread. j. Sane ego te vocavi. Forsitan capedictum tuum desit. -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org]On Behalf Of Ian Michael Gumby Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:08 PM To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road On Aug 27, 7:11 pm, Sherlock Holmes <2...@bakerstreet.org> wrote: > > it is sad state of cdi where the top 3 posters > this month are top 3 trolls. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/aboutT That's funny. Two of the top 3 posters know a hell a lot more that you do. Troll. _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
Sherlock Holmes wrote: > Hey, you missed the real point > > I wrote:- > > "and you think your way of engaging IBM (posting as an anonymous runt every 3 > months with a new nick) is going to work. if yes, then you are a bigger idiot > than you have presented yourself so far." > > Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time > IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an > Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never > learned the lesson. > IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my knowledge. There may have been some background activity, but nobody from IBM ever contacted me and told me to be quiet about Informix => Linux. I don't think even IBM was into Linux back in '97-98, if they were, it was all on the down low. The only people I ever dealt with were at Informix, and only on a couple of occasions, nothing beyond a short note. IBM wasn't even in the picture then. I know the IIUG at the time was really into corporate sychophantry on a grand scale, and didn't like anyone to speak up without their blessing, but even they had trouble keeping the lid on. But the real question is... Why do you even care? Are you some kind of IBM apologist? IBM has all these paid people to stand up for them, and you do it for free, very strange behavior. I have seen this behavior over the past few years, and just baffled how people want to suck up to vendors to get something out of them. As if their lives could not be complete without some kind of corporate recognition, or because they value their miserable gray careers at IBM so much they are just not strong enough to stand up and either say what should be done, or do and act on doing the right things. Some kind of group paralysis or something. Just baffling. And then you come swinging a machete through the conversation trying to derail people on the real issues, it's just wierd how you could be so retarded and foggy headed. Really strange. > it is sad state of cdi where the top 3 posters > this month are top 3 trolls. > Even sadder that you saw fit to attack the wrong problem, and the wrong issues, without the high moral ground. You want to be proven right, and I want to be proven wrong, and friends will never change. -ID-
In article <5Aqtk.9741$TH1.9177@fe62.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says... >> Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time >> IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an >> Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never >> learned the lesson. >> > >IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my sorry my bad. It was Informix Corp which told you. >Why do you even care? Are you some kind of IBM apologist? well it's my turn to ask. Why do you care when you don't even work with informix. Excuse me, are you under any medication for bi-polar syndrome. On one side you rant about the imminent demise of informix, on the other you write that informix will never improve and you were glad to get out of it. Man, u need to see a Shrink NOW.
Sherlock Holmes wrote: > Hey, you missed the real point > > I wrote:- > > "and you think your way of engaging IBM (posting as an anonymous runt every 3 > months with a new nick) is going to work. if yes, then you are a bigger idiot > than you have presented yourself so far." > > Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time > IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an > Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never > learned the lesson. > > I am deleting the rest of your insanity plea. > It is not something which you have not already > told 1000 times before. > > it is sad state of cdi where the top 3 posters > this month are top 3 trolls. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.informix/about > Hey, why drag me into this shit? -- Cheers, Obnoxio the Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
Sherlock Holmes wrote: > In article <5Aqtk.9741$TH1.9177@fe62.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says... > >>> Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time >>> IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an >>> Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never >>> learned the lesson. >>> >> IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my > > sorry my bad. It was Informix Corp which told you. > Informix didn't tell me to do anything. You need to get your facts straight. Informix was pretty much filled with a lot of arrogant people that had no clue about Linux and how it was going to change everything. They hardly communicated with me at all. It was the goddam IIUG that had issues with me back then, and wanted to make sure _they_ were going to get credit for the whole push. In fact if I hadn't showed up at the conference in Seattle the IIUG would have done everything to make sure that I had never been mentioned and that their chief suckups would have been awarded all manor of congratulatory cheer for doing nothing. So before you go off with your spew you really should get your facts straight. You were still in diapers back then so I hardly get your indignation. >> Why do you even care? Are you some kind of IBM apologist? > > well it's my turn to ask. Why do you care when you don't even > work with informix. Excuse me, are you under any medication for bi-polar > syndrome. On one side you rant about the imminent demise > of informix, on the other you write that informix will never > improve and you were glad to get out of it. Man, u need to see a Shrink NOW. > First of all how do you know what I work with? Who the fuck are you to decide whether or not I'm 'worthy' to talk here? Who the fuck are YOU to tell me what to do? It's not like you're some kind of contributor here with anything. You post occasionally with a line or two of badly constructed thought and think that you rank as some kind of authority. While you were in diapers back in your home country I was already working with Informix, HERE IN THE US, so I really don't think I need to justify fuck to you. I don't see any contribution of code or tools from you, or any discussion at all from you other than attacking me. So... If you don't like what I say, IGNORE ME you stupid fuck. I'm done with this thread, and you Ravi.
In article <KLytk.21935$yU2.18894@fe181.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says... >First of all how do you know what I work with? What??? You are the one to mention it all the time that you don't work with Informix and these days you are working with oracle which has given you your best earning potential. You are the one to say that for the last many years Perl, PHP, MySQL, DB2 has helped you pay your bills. Anyhow I am also done with this thread. Apology if you are offended.
> From: indeep@indeep.com > Subject: Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:38:33 -0700 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > > Sherlock Holmes wrote: > > In article <5Aqtk.9741$TH1.9177@fe62.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says... > >> IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my > > > > sorry my bad. It was Informix Corp which told you. > > > LOL I guess Sherlock was there so he knows all. Yeah, like he's met Dexmier or Finnociao and knows the story. Or I bet he knew Fraiman, Mentz from Marketing. Or heck! How about Lloyd as in house counsel. I'll take an educated guess that he claimed I was "you screwed the pooch dex" and then forced PG to sue to get his identity. (But that was on a stock chat board.) But dealing with the SEC was another story. ;-) > Informix didn't tell me to do anything. You need to get your > facts straight. Informix was pretty much filled with a lot of > arrogant people that had no clue about Linux and how it was > going to change everything. They hardly communicated with me > at all. It was the goddam IIUG that had issues with me back > then, and wanted to make sure _they_ were going to get credit > for the whole push. In fact if I hadn't showed up at the conference > in Seattle the IIUG would have done everything to make sure that I > had never been mentioned and that their chief suckups would have > been awarded all manor of congratulatory cheer for doing nothing. > So before you go off with your spew you really should get your > facts straight. You were still in diapers back then so I hardly > get your indignation. > Timmy, they weren't there. This is something that you, I, and a couple of the old timers know more than we should talk about. You shouldn't lose your cool over the sock puppets. Head down to the beach and enjoy the weekend. -G _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/