DE Edition
Kate asked whether the Informix Developer Edition's 8GB database limit covers temp space, logging, etc. Replies said yes, and that DE limits (database size, CPU VPs, SHMTOTAL) are hard-coded in the binaries, not just licence text; Fernando noted newer licence documents no longer list these limits, so checking with IBM was advised. After reducing to 1 CPU VP and 1GB memory, Kate got an 11GB database to start on 11.70.FC7, but then hit a 20-connection DE restriction. Participants disputed whether that user limit is documented for current versions, and no definitive answer is recorded.
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Hey all, I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use 8GB for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? Thanks, katedart@bellsouth.net
This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed recently: Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument You should contact an IBM sales team member officially Regards On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Hey all, > I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use 8GB > for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? > > Thanks, > katedart@bellsouth.net > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6
Yes. It=92s hardcoded into the code along with the limitations on CPU = VPS, SHMTOTAL and so on. Carlton ------------------------------------------------- Carlton Doe Flower Mound, TX No trees were killed in the transmission of this email, however a large = number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.=20 On Sep 2, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> = wrote: > Hey all,=20 > I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only = use 8GB=20 > for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc?=20 >=20 > Thanks,=20 > katedart@bellsouth.net=20 >=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >=20
Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu i was able to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful. Thanks, Kate > On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: > > This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed > recently: > > Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: > > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument > > Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: > > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument > > You should contact an IBM sales team member officially > Regards > >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use 8GB >> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? >> >> Thanks, >> katedart@bellsouth.net > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... Which fixpack are you using? Thanks and regards. On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth <katedart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu i was > able > to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful. > > Thanks, > Kate > > > On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed > > recently: > > > > Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: > > > > > > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument > > > > Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: > > > > > > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument > > > > You should contact an IBM sales team member officially > > Regards > > > >> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > >> > >> Hey all, > >> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use > 8GB > >> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> katedart@bellsouth.net > > > > ******************************************************************************* > >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > -- > > Fernando Nunes > > Portugal > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > > > --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6 > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- Fernando Nunes Portugal http://informix-technology.blogspot.com My email works... but I don't check it frequently... --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b
11.70fc7 Thanks, Kate > On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... Which > fixpack are you using? > Thanks and regards. > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth <katedart@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > >> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu i was >> able >> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful. >> >> Thanks, >> Kate >> >>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed >>> recently: >>> >>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument >>> >>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument >>> >>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially >>> Regards >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use >> 8GB >>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> katedart@bellsouth.net > ******************************************************************************* >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >>> >>> -- >>> Fernando Nunes >>> Portugal >>> >>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com >>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently... >>> >>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6 > ******************************************************************************* >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error: Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number of connections to this server to 20. Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this limitation listed. Did miss it? Thanks, Kate > On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... Which > fixpack are you using? > Thanks and regards. > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth <katedart@bellsouth.net> > wrote: > >> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu i was >> able >> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful. >> >> Thanks, >> Kate >> >>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed >>> recently: >>> >>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument >>> >>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument >>> >>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially >>> Regards >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use >> 8GB >>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> katedart@bellsouth.net > ******************************************************************************* >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >>> >>> -- >>> Fernando Nunes >>> Portugal >>> >>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com >>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently... >>> >>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6 > ******************************************************************************* >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > -- > Fernando Nunes > Portugal > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com > My email works... but I don't check it frequently... > > --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
Yes. -- Regards Spokey > On 9 Sep 2014, at 15:53, "Kate Bellsouth" <katedart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error: > Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number of > connections to this server to 20. > > Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this limitation > listed. Did miss it? > > Thanks, > Kate > >> On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... Which >> fixpack are you using? >> Thanks and regards. >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth <katedart@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu i was >>> able >>> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kate >>> >>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed >>>> recently: >>>> >>>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument >>>> >>>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument >>>> >>>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially >>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use >>> 8GB >>>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> katedart@bellsouth.net > ******************************************************************************* >>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fernando Nunes >>>> Portugal >>>> >>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com >>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently... >>>> >>>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6 > ******************************************************************************* >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > ******************************************************************************* >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >> >> -- >> Fernando Nunes >> Portugal >> >> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com >> My email works... but I don't check it frequently... >> >> --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >
Funny, I checked all License information docunents and I can't see this limitation: Latest one (2014/08/19) - regarding IBM Informix Advanced Developer Edition V12.10 - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else 2014/07/29 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10 http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/A5C36B594058750385257D2500 52AB30?opendocument&li_select=1723521CE8C459C985257D250052AB2D - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else 2013/03/26 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10 http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/33C63593E1D2237D85257B3900 6E65C4?opendocument&li_select=A909B0899D1930D085257B39006E65C2 - mentioned Non-Production Limitation, Install Limitation, Processor Limitation, Memory Allocation Limitation and Database Size Limitation 2008/05/06 - regarding IBM Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise Developer Edition V11.50 http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/2624346903CFEB200025744300 5C63A3?opendocument&li_select=BB6E8092612E6A7E00257443005C6395 - this one has: User Limitations - The Program allows a maximum of twenty (20) concurrent sessions. Connection attempts that exceed this limit will receive error number -25571 (Cannot create a user thread). So, I'm expecting that 12.10 does not have User Limitations. Or am I wrong? Hrvoje -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: DE Edition [33752] Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Spokey Wheeler <spokey.wheeler@gmail.com> Reply-To: ids@iiug.org To: ids@iiug.org Yes. -- Regards Spokey > On 9 Sep 2014, at 15:53, "Kate Bellsouth" <katedart@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error: > Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number of > connections to this server to 20. > > Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this limitation > listed. Did miss it? > > Thanks, > Kate > >> On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... Which >> fixpack are you using? >> Thanks and regards. >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth <katedart@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu i was >>> able >>> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Kate >>> >>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was changed >>>> recently: >>>> >>>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985257D25 0052AB2D?OpenDocument >>>> >>>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...: > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085257B39 006E65C2?OpenDocument >>>> >>>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially >>>> Regards >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik <katedart@bellsouth.net> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can only use >>> 8GB >>>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> katedart@bellsouth.net > ******************************************************************************* >>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fernando Nunes >>>> Portugal >>>> >>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com >>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently... >>>> >>>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6 > ******************************************************************************* >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > ******************************************************************************* >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. >> >> -- >> Fernando Nunes >> Portugal >> >> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com >> My email works... but I don't check it frequently... >> >> --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b > ******************************************************************************* >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.
You are very wrong. See = http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/ = For the hard-coded limitations in the DE version. Carlton ------------------------------------------------- Carlton Doe Flower Mound, TX No trees were killed in the transmission of this email, however a large = number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.=20 On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Hrvoje Zokovic <hzokovic.iiug@gmail.com> = wrote: > Funny, I checked all License information docunents and I can't see = this=20 > limitation:=20 >=20 > Latest one (2014/08/19) - regarding IBM Informix Advanced Developer=20 > Edition V12.10=20 > - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >=20 > 2014/07/29 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >=20 > = http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/A5C36B59405875038525= 7D250052AB30?opendocument&li_select=3D1723521CE8C459C985257D250052AB2D= =20 > - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >=20 > 2013/03/26 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >=20 > = http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/33C63593E1D2237D8525= 7B39006E65C4?opendocument&li_select=3DA909B0899D1930D085257B39006E65C2= =20 > - mentioned Non-Production Limitation, Install Limitation, Processor=20= > Limitation, Memory Allocation Limitation and Database Size Limitation=20= >=20 > 2008/05/06 - regarding IBM Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise = Developer=20 > Edition V11.50=20 >=20 > = http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/2624346903CFEB200025= 7443005C63A3?opendocument&li_select=3DBB6E8092612E6A7E00257443005C6395= =20 > - this one has:=20 > User Limitations=20 > - The Program allows a maximum of twenty (20) concurrent sessions.=20 > Connection attempts that exceed this limit will receive error number=20= > -25571 (Cannot create a user thread).=20 >=20 > So, I'm expecting that 12.10 does not have User Limitations. Or am I = wrong?=20 > Hrvoje=20 >=20 > -------- Original Message --------=20 > Subject: Re: DE Edition [33752]=20 > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT)=20 > From: Spokey Wheeler <spokey.wheeler@gmail.com>=20 > Reply-To: ids@iiug.org=20 > To: ids@iiug.org=20 >=20 > Yes.=20 >=20 > --=20 > Regards=20 > Spokey=20 >=20 >> On 9 Sep 2014, at 15:53, "Kate Bellsouth" <katedart@bellsouth.net> = wrote:=20 >>=20 >> New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error:=20 >> Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number = of=20 >> connections to this server to 20.=20 >>=20 >> Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this = limitation=20 >> listed. Did miss it?=20 >>=20 >> Thanks,=20 >> Kate=20 >>=20 >>> On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> = wrote:=20 >>>=20 >>> I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... = Which=20 >>> fixpack are you using?=20 >>> Thanks and regards.=20 >>>=20 >>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth = <katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>> wrote:=20 >>>=20 >>>> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu = i was=20 >>>> able=20 >>>> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks,=20 >>>> Kate=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" = <domusonline@gmail.com>=20 >>>>> wrote:=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was = changed=20 >>>>> recently:=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB:=20 >>=20 >=20 > = http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985= 257D250052AB2D?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...:=20 >>=20 >=20 > = http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085= 257B39006E65C2?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially=20 >>>>> Regards=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik = <katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>> wrote:=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hey all,=20 >>>>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can = only use=20 >>>> 8GB=20 >>>>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc?=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks,=20 >>>>>> katedart@bellsouth.net=20 >>=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >>>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = forum.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Fernando Nunes=20 >>>>> Portugal=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6=20 >>=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = forum.=20 >>=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Fernando Nunes=20 >>> Portugal=20 >>>=20 >>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>=20 >>> --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b=20 >>=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >>=20 >=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 >=20 > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20 >=20 >=20 > = **************************************************************************= *****=20 > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >=20
I dunno, Carlton, I read that and couldn't see 20 users anywhere? -- Regards Spokey > On 9 Sep 2014, at 22:53, "Carlton Doe" <dbaresrc@xmission.com> wrote: > > You are very wrong. See = > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/ = > For the hard-coded limitations in the DE version. > > Carlton > > ------------------------------------------------- > Carlton Doe > Flower Mound, TX > > No trees were killed in the transmission of this email, however a large = > number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.=20 > > On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Hrvoje Zokovic <hzokovic.iiug@gmail.com> = > wrote: > >> Funny, I checked all License information docunents and I can't see = > this=20 >> limitation:=20 >> =20 >> Latest one (2014/08/19) - regarding IBM Informix Advanced Developer=20 >> Edition V12.10=20 >> - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >> =20 >> 2014/07/29 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >> =20 >> = > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/A5C36B59405875038525= > 7D250052AB30?opendocument&li_select=3D1723521CE8C459C985257D250052AB2D= > =20 >> - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >> =20 >> 2013/03/26 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >> =20 >> = > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/33C63593E1D2237D8525= > 7B39006E65C4?opendocument&li_select=3DA909B0899D1930D085257B39006E65C2= > =20 >> - mentioned Non-Production Limitation, Install Limitation, Processor=20= > >> Limitation, Memory Allocation Limitation and Database Size Limitation=20= > >> =20 >> 2008/05/06 - regarding IBM Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise = > Developer=20 >> Edition V11.50=20 >> =20 >> = > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/2624346903CFEB200025= > 7443005C63A3?opendocument&li_select=3DBB6E8092612E6A7E00257443005C6395= > =20 >> - this one has:=20 >> User Limitations=20 >> - The Program allows a maximum of twenty (20) concurrent sessions.=20 >> Connection attempts that exceed this limit will receive error number=20= > >> -25571 (Cannot create a user thread).=20 >> =20 >> So, I'm expecting that 12.10 does not have User Limitations. Or am I = > wrong?=20 >> Hrvoje=20 >> =20 >> -------- Original Message --------=20 >> Subject: Re: DE Edition [33752]=20 >> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT)=20 >> From: Spokey Wheeler <spokey.wheeler@gmail.com>=20 >> Reply-To: ids@iiug.org=20 >> To: ids@iiug.org=20 >> =20 >> Yes.=20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> Regards=20 >> Spokey=20 >> =20 >>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 15:53, "Kate Bellsouth" <katedart@bellsouth.net> = > wrote:=20 >>> =20 >>> New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error:=20 >>> Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number = > of=20 >>> connections to this server to 20.=20 >>> =20 >>> Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this = > limitation=20 >>> listed. Did miss it?=20 >>> =20 >>> Thanks,=20 >>> Kate=20 >>> =20 >>>> On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> = > wrote:=20 >>>> =20 >>>> I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... = > Which=20 >>>> fixpack are you using?=20 >>>> Thanks and regards.=20 >>>> =20 >>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth = > <katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>> wrote:=20 >>>> =20 >>>>> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu = > i was=20 >>>>> able=20 >>>>> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful.=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> Thanks,=20 >>>>> Kate=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" = > <domusonline@gmail.com>=20 >>>>>> wrote:=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was = > changed=20 >>>>>> recently:=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB:=20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985= > 257D250052AB2D?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...:=20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085= > 257B39006E65C2?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially=20 >>>>>> Regards=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik = > <katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>>> wrote:=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Hey all,=20 >>>>>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can = > only use=20 >>>>> 8GB=20 >>>>>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc?=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Thanks,=20 >>>>>>> katedart@bellsouth.net=20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >>>>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = > forum.=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> --=20 >>>>>> Fernando Nunes=20 >>>>>> Portugal=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>>>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6=20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >>>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = > forum.=20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > >>>> =20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Fernando Nunes=20 >>>> Portugal=20 >>>> =20 >>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>> =20 >>>> --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b=20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > >>> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >> =20 >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> = > **************************************************************************= > *****=20 >> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= > >> =20 > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to pos
Exactly it is not documented yet it is causing me issues. Thanks, Kate > On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:24 AM, "Spokey Wheeler" <spokey.wheeler@gmail.com> wrote: > > I dunno, Carlton, I read that and couldn't see 20 users anywhere? > > -- > Regards > Spokey > >> On 9 Sep 2014, at 22:53, "Carlton Doe" <dbaresrc@xmission.com> wrote: >> >> You are very wrong. See = >> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/ = >> For the hard-coded limitations in the DE version. >> >> Carlton >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Carlton Doe >> Flower Mound, TX >> >> No trees were killed in the transmission of this email, however a large = >> number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.=20 >> >> On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Hrvoje Zokovic <hzokovic.iiug@gmail.com> = >> wrote: >> >>> Funny, I checked all License information docunents and I can't see = >> this=20 >>> limitation:=20 >>> =20 >>> Latest one (2014/08/19) - regarding IBM Informix Advanced Developer=20 >>> Edition V12.10=20 >>> - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >>> =20 >>> 2014/07/29 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >>> =20 >>> = >> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/A5C36B59405875038525= >> 7D250052AB30?opendocument&li_select=3D1723521CE8C459C985257D250052AB2D= >> =20 >>> - mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >>> =20 >>> 2013/03/26 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >>> =20 >>> = >> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/33C63593E1D2237D8525= >> 7B39006E65C4?opendocument&li_select=3DA909B0899D1930D085257B39006E65C2= >> =20 >>> - mentioned Non-Production Limitation, Install Limitation, Processor=20= >> >>> Limitation, Memory Allocation Limitation and Database Size Limitation=20= >> >>> =20 >>> 2008/05/06 - regarding IBM Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise = >> Developer=20 >>> Edition V11.50=20 >>> =20 >>> = >> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/2624346903CFEB200025= >> 7443005C63A3?opendocument&li_select=3DBB6E8092612E6A7E00257443005C6395= >> =20 >>> - this one has:=20 >>> User Limitations=20 >>> - The Program allows a maximum of twenty (20) concurrent sessions.=20 >>> Connection attempts that exceed this limit will receive error number=20= >> >>> -25571 (Cannot create a user thread).=20 >>> =20 >>> So, I'm expecting that 12.10 does not have User Limitations. Or am I = >> wrong?=20 >>> Hrvoje=20 >>> =20 >>> -------- Original Message --------=20 >>> Subject: Re: DE Edition [33752]=20 >>> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT)=20 >>> From: Spokey Wheeler <spokey.wheeler@gmail.com>=20 >>> Reply-To: ids@iiug.org=20 >>> To: ids@iiug.org=20 >>> =20 >>> Yes.=20 >>> =20 >>> --=20 >>> Regards=20 >>> Spokey=20 >>> =20 >>>> On 9 Sep 2014, at 15:53, "Kate Bellsouth" <katedart@bellsouth.net> = >> wrote:=20 >>>> =20 >>>> New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error:=20 >>>> Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number = >> of=20 >>>> connections to this server to 20.=20 >>>> =20 >>>> Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this = >> limitation=20 >>>> listed. Did miss it?=20 >>>> =20 >>>> Thanks,=20 >>>> Kate=20 >>>> =20 >>>>> On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes" <domusonline@gmail.com> = >> wrote:=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... = >> Which=20 >>>>> fixpack are you using?=20 >>>>> Thanks and regards.=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth = >> <katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>>> wrote:=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>>> Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu = >> i was=20 >>>>>> able=20 >>>>>> to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful.=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> Thanks,=20 >>>>>> Kate=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" = >> <domusonline@gmail.com>=20 >>>>>>> wrote:=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was = >> changed=20 >>>>>>> recently:=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB:=20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985= >> 257D250052AB2D?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...:=20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085= >> 257B39006E65C2?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> You should contact an IBM sales team member officially=20 >>>>>>> Regards=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik = >> <katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>>>> wrote:=20 >>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> Hey all,=20 >>>>>>>> I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can = >> only use=20 >>>>>> 8GB=20 >>>>>>>> for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc?=20 >>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> Thanks,=20 >>>>>>>> katedart@bellsouth.net=20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> **************************************************************************= >> *****=20 >>>>>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = >> forum.=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>> Fernando Nunes=20 >>>>>>> Portugal=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>>>>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> --20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6=20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> **************************************************************************= >> *****=20 >>>>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = >> forum.=20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> **************************************************************************= >> *****=20 >>>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >> >>>>> =20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Fernando Nunes=20 >>>>> Portugal=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>>>> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> --047d7b10c847fe897a050243b52b=20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> **************************************************************************= >> *****=20 >>>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >> >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> **************************************************************************= >> *****=20 >>>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >> >>>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> = >> **************************************************************************= >> *****=20 >>> =20 >>> Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a res
This makes two of us since I can't see any number 20 on your page Carlton. Also, you wrote that I'm wrong or that Spokey is wrong? If you read latest official IBM License Information document regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10 (dated 2014/07/29) there's no limitation besides non-production: http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/A5C36B594058750385257D2500 52AB30?opendocument&li_select=1723521CE8C459C985257D250052AB2D Hrvoje On 10.09.2014. 13:24, Spokey Wheeler wrote: > I dunno, Carlton, I read that and couldn't see 20 users anywhere? > > -- Regards Spokey >> >On 9 Sep 2014, at 22:53, "Carlton Doe"<dbaresrc@xmission.com> wrote: >> > >> >You are very wrong. See = >> >http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0801doe/ = >> >For the hard-coded limitations in the DE version. >> > >> >Carlton >> > >> >------------------------------------------------- >> >Carlton Doe >> >Flower Mound, TX >> > >> >No trees were killed in the transmission of this email, however a large = >> >number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.=20 >> > >> >On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Hrvoje Zokovic<hzokovic.iiug@gmail.com> = >> >wrote: >> > >>> >>Funny, I checked all License information docunents and I can't see = >> >this=20 >>> >>limitation:=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>Latest one (2014/08/19) - regarding IBM Informix Advanced Developer=20 >>> >>Edition V12.10=20 >>> >>- mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>2014/07/29 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/A5C36B59405875038525= >> >7D250052AB30?opendocument&li_select=3D1723521CE8C459C985257D250052AB2D= >> >=20 >>> >>- mentioned ONLY Non-Production Limitation and NOTHING else=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>2013/03/26 - regarding IBM Informix Developer Edition V12.10=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/33C63593E1D2237D8525= >> >7B39006E65C4?opendocument&li_select=3DA909B0899D1930D085257B39006E65C2= >> >=20 >>> >>- mentioned Non-Production Limitation, Install Limitation, Processor=20= >> > >>> >>Limitation, Memory Allocation Limitation and Database Size Limitation=20= >> > >>> >>=20 >>> >>2008/05/06 - regarding IBM Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise = >> >Developer=20 >>> >>Edition V11.50=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/lilookup/2624346903CFEB200025= >> >7443005C63A3?opendocument&li_select=3DBB6E8092612E6A7E00257443005C6395= >> >=20 >>> >>- this one has:=20 >>> >>User Limitations=20 >>> >>- The Program allows a maximum of twenty (20) concurrent sessions.=20 >>> >>Connection attempts that exceed this limit will receive error number=20= >> > >>> >>-25571 (Cannot create a user thread).=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>So, I'm expecting that 12.10 does not have User Limitations. Or am I = >> >wrong?=20 >>> >>Hrvoje=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>-------- Original Message --------=20 >>> >>Subject: Re: DE Edition [33752]=20 >>> >>Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT)=20 >>> >>From: Spokey Wheeler<spokey.wheeler@gmail.com>=20 >>> >>Reply-To:ids@iiug.org=20 >>> >>To:ids@iiug.org=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>Yes.=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>--=20 >>> >>Regards=20 >>> >>Spokey=20 >>> >>=20 >>>> >>>On 9 Sep 2014, at 15:53, "Kate Bellsouth"<katedart@bellsouth.net> = >> >wrote:=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>>New issue. When you go over 20 connections it gives and error:=20 >>>> >>>Warning: IDS Developer Edition license restriction limits the number = >> >of=20 >>>> >>>connections to this server to 20.=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>>Funny since i downloaded the documentation and i do not see this = >> >limitation=20 >>>> >>>listed. Did miss it?=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>>Thanks,=20 >>>> >>>Kate=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>>> >>>>On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:05 PM, "Fernando Nunes"<domusonline@gmail.com> = >> >wrote:=20 >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>>I'm glad you made it, but I still don't understand the license... = >> >Which=20 >>>>> >>>>fixpack are you using?=20 >>>>> >>>>Thanks and regards.=20 >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>>On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Kate Bellsouth = >> ><katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>>> >>>>wrote:=20 >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>>> >>>>>Omg you are a life saver! Once i got down to 1 gb memory and 1 cpu = >> >i was=20 >>>>>> >>>>>able=20 >>>>>> >>>>>to start a database that had 11gb. This is wonderful.=20 >>>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>>> >>>>>Thanks,=20 >>>>>> >>>>>Kate=20 >>>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Fernando Nunes" = >> ><domusonline@gmail.com>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>wrote:=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>This won't be a very useful help, but apparently the license was = >> >changed=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>recently:=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>Here there's no mention to the limit of 8GB:=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/1723521CE8C459C985= >> >257D250052AB2D?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>Here there is a reference to that and other limitations...:=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >http://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sladb.nsf/displaylis/A909B0899D1930D085= >> >257B39006E65C2?OpenDocument=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>You should contact an IBM sales team member officially=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>Regards=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kate Tomchik = >> ><katedart@bellsouth.net>=20 >>>>>> >>>>>wrote:=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hey all,=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I need some advice on the Developer's Edition. It says you can = >> >only use=20 >>>>>> >>>>>8GB=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>for the database. Does that include temp space, logging, etc?=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks,=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>katedart@bellsouth.net=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >**************************************************************************= >> >*****=20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = >> >forum.=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>--=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>Fernando Nunes=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>Portugal=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>http://informix-technology.blogspot.com=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>My email works... but I don't check it frequently...=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>--20cf303bf576bed2d705021881e6=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >**************************************************************************= >> >*****=20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion = >> >forum.=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>> >>=20 >>> >>= >> >**************************************************************************= >> >*****=20 >>>>>> >>>>>Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.=20= >> > >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>>--=20 >>>>> >>>>Fernando Nunes=20 >>>>> >>>>Portugal=20 >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>>htt