Re: Fw: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
Not a technical thread at all: it's a vendor flame war spun off from a discussion about a company choosing DB2 over Oracle. Participants trade anecdotes about customers migrating to Oracle, SQL Server or DB2, then argue about bias — whether IBM employees defend DB2 too loudly, whether Oracle advocates are equally self-interested, and whether Oracle's TCO and declining license revenue prove anything. Informix is mentioned only in passing. No technical problem is posed and no resolution is reached.
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Mark Denham wrote: >Well, I have 6 customers here in the US that have moved to Oracle or Sequel >Server. > >1 plans on moving to DB2 although that has not been cast in stone yet. > >There are others that are loosely considering their options. Not one of them >has ever made mention of DB2. That is not to say they are not interested. >The predominant view in this group is to stay put for now because its >cheaper that way....for now. > >Mark > > Have you noticed that it is the IBM employees that protest the loudest when we put forth our real-world experiences? I find it amazing when employees on the corporate payroll, persons that likely would become unemployed if they agreed with us ... try to tar the statements of people with no particular axe to grind. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
Daniel Morgan wrote: > Have you noticed that it is the IBM employees that protest the loudest > when we put forth our real-world experiences? Just like Oracle users like you protest the loudest when facts are presented about TCO, which shows that Oracle is nothing but a white elephant. rk-
rkusenet wrote: >Daniel Morgan wrote: > > > >>Have you noticed that it is the IBM employees that protest the loudest >>when we put forth our real-world experiences? >> >> > >Just like Oracle users like you protest the loudest when facts are presented >about TCO, which shows that Oracle is nothing but a white elephant. > >rk- > > You may know what I teach but haven't a clue what I use. I'll be working at an Informix shop next week. Do you think I need wash my hands first? ;-) -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
> Daniel Morgan wrote: > You may know what I teach but haven't a clue what I use. > I'll be working at an Informix shop next week. Do you think I need wash > my hands first? ;-) I am not interested at all in this stupid thread. But just to clarify. You were sounding self-righteous when u were taking a jab at IBM employees.
rkusenet wrote: >>Daniel Morgan wrote: >>You may know what I teach but haven't a clue what I use. >>I'll be working at an Informix shop next week. Do you think I need wash >>my hands first? ;-) >> >> > >I am not interested at all in this stupid thread. But just to clarify. > >You were sounding self-righteous when u were taking a jab at IBM employees. >From my experience, everyone puts his self interest first. I have no >more reasons to believe Oracle pimping by an Oracle user than DB2 pimping >by a DB2 user. Either both are self centered or both aren't. > >Do u think it is just a coincidence that out of last 10 quarters, Oracle >has seen a declining license revenue in 9 quarters. > >rk- > > I think marketing, advertising, and hyperbole are irrelevant to a usenet group. A bunch of employees crowing about the fact that the company that pays their salary is better than the company that doesn't it not something I have to go to the internet to read. I've no doubt the people that are paid to do marketing for Coca Cola can quote equally valid statistics about those "Pepsi Users". Me? I just walk up to the machine, put in my quarters and take whatever comes out. It's all brown fizzy water to me. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
Daniel Morgan wrote: >I think marketing, advertising, and hyperbole are irrelevant to a usenet group. >A bunch of employees crowing about the fact that the company that pays their >salary is better than the company that doesn't it not something I have to go to the > internet to read. Why restrict to only those who are employees of company that makes a product. In what way an Oracle user, specially DBAs, who uses Oracle for his living, will be any less biased than an employee of Oracle Corp like Mark Townsend. Of course the same applies to Informix DBAs too. > I've no doubt the people that are paid to do marketing > for Coca Cola can quote equally valid statistics about those >"Pepsi Users". Me? I just walk up to the machine, > put in my quarters and take whatever comes out. It's all brown fizzy water to me. the only difference is that coke/pepsi isn't about my job/career. Sure u and I will be unbiased when it comes to coke vs pepsi or Honda vs Toyota, since it is not about our job. But Oracle vs DB2/Informix is a different beast altogether. That's why I take ur statements defending Oracle's TCO with a handful of the needful. rk-