Re: Senior Oracle DBA now Learning Informix by Request
Despite the subject line, this stretch of the thread contains no technical content or support question. It is an off-topic, often jokey argument between IBM and Oracle partisans about financial disclosure: whether IBM breaks out Informix (IDS) revenue versus whether Oracle breaks out core database revenue, with links to earnings coverage and Oracle's new 'a la carte' pricing, plus jabs about marketing claims (e.g., first database on Linux). No problem is posed and no resolution is recorded.
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Serge Rielau wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: >> Are you saying that the moral imperative at IBM is "we don't do it >> until Safra does it first?" > I live by the rule that before I ask others to do something I make sure > I do it myself. > I am not asking Oracle to break out their revenues. But Mark appears to > be rather interested. > So Yes. To get his wish Oracle has to go first. :-) > > Cheers > Serge > I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do we need to break out and why ?
Mark Townsend wrote: > I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do we > need to break out and why ? *lol*This tread has gotten a bit confusing, eh? Let me summarize: 1. You: IBM doesn't break out IDS revenue! 2. I: Oracle doesn't break out detail revenue either, so what's your point? I wonder what Oracle DBMS revenues were this quarter. Let's start substracting Siebel Analytics; Middlewhere grows faster than the rest, carry over a one, .... ahhh We are playing just the same games at reverse engineering Oracle revenue numbers as you do with us. Level playing field. The difference is that IBM isn't complaining. So either stop complaining or lead by example (that's the part that got Daniel all confused) to gain at least moral high ground. Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab WAIUG Conference http://www.iiug.org/waiug/present/Forum2006/Forum2006.html
Serge Rielau wrote: > Mark Townsend wrote: >> I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do we >> need to break out and why ? > *lol*This tread has gotten a bit confusing, eh? > Let me summarize: > 1. You: IBM doesn't break out IDS revenue! > 2. I: Oracle doesn't break out detail revenue either, so what's your > point? I wonder what Oracle DBMS revenues were this quarter. Is this what you were looking for? http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/061219/116654500116.html?.v=1 Larry is no doubt considering tossing in the proverbial towel. <g> -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Puget Sound Oracle Users Group www.psoug.org
2007 is going to be an awesome year for IT spending...I can smell it in the air... That link you gave proves that good marketing does wonders for the bottom line, and coincidentally, that IT in the US is at full throttle... I love it! Happy Holidays! *<8o) DA Morgan wrote: > Serge Rielau wrote: >> Mark Townsend wrote: >>> I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do we >>> need to break out and why ? >> *lol*This tread has gotten a bit confusing, eh? >> Let me summarize: >> 1. You: IBM doesn't break out IDS revenue! >> 2. I: Oracle doesn't break out detail revenue either, so what's your >> point? I wonder what Oracle DBMS revenues were this quarter. > > Is this what you were looking for? > > http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/061219/116654500116.html?.v=1 > > Larry is no doubt considering tossing in the proverbial towel. <g>
Double Echo wrote: > 2007 is going to be an awesome year for IT spending...I can smell it in > the air... > That link you gave proves that good marketing does wonders for the > bottom line, and coincidentally, that IT in the US is at full > throttle... I love it! > > Happy Holidays! > > *<8o) > > Forgot to throw this in: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2074644,00.asp Nothing but hot air... I love it! !woo hoo! *<8o) > DA Morgan wrote: >> Serge Rielau wrote: >>> Mark Townsend wrote: >>>> I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do >>>> we need to break out and why ? >>> *lol*This tread has gotten a bit confusing, eh? >>> Let me summarize: >>> 1. You: IBM doesn't break out IDS revenue! >>> 2. I: Oracle doesn't break out detail revenue either, so what's your >>> point? I wonder what Oracle DBMS revenues were this quarter. >> >> Is this what you were looking for? >> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/061219/116654500116.html?.v=1 >> >> Larry is no doubt considering tossing in the proverbial towel. <g> >
Double Echo said: > > Nothing but hot air... I love it! Hot air, indeed: "The first model is what Oracle calls a Component Model, which offers "a la carte," or *on-demand*, pricing." What's next? Oracle codernauts? -- Bye now, Obnoxio "I don't read newspapers anymore except the local rag which I do weekly to cheer myself trying to see if anyone I hate has been stabbed." -- Horribilis XVI -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
DA Morgan wrote: > Serge Rielau wrote: >> Mark Townsend wrote: >>> I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do we >>> need to break out and why ? >> *lol*This tread has gotten a bit confusing, eh? >> Let me summarize: >> 1. You: IBM doesn't break out IDS revenue! >> 2. I: Oracle doesn't break out detail revenue either, so what's your >> point? I wonder what Oracle DBMS revenues were this quarter. > > Is this what you were looking for? > > http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/061219/116654500116.html?.v=1 > > Larry is no doubt considering tossing in the proverbial towel. <g> You must be living a parallel universe. I don't see any broken out numbers. In the universe occupied by most here analysts reverse engineer (!) that Oracle's core DBMS revenue has actually been flat or declining. So, on one side we have IBM failing to break out a fraction of DBMS revenue. On the other side we have Oracle failing to break out DBMS revenues period. - Arguable 80% of it's friggin' business and hide its problems behind e.g. Siebel Analytics. Cheers Serge -- Serge Rielau DB2 Solutions Development IBM Toronto Lab WAIUG Conference http://www.iiug.org/waiug/present/Forum2006/Forum2006.html
Wow. Codernauts... you'd have to stay aware from infringement... O them... Odornauts.... Maybe inversely, IBM could steal marketing ideas from somebody else--nobody would be paying attention anyway, and by using the competition's ideas could actually duplicate or surpass what their competition is doing. Theoretically it could work. For example, Oracle just went ahead and said they were the first major DB on Linux, which was and is total shyte. But they just plowed ahead saying that and nobody noticed or cared. Oracle is successful, it couldn't hurt to imitate them occasionally... I mean the money, it would really be good for Informix if there were the same ideas used to promote it as what Oracle does, using Oracle marketing techniques. Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Double Echo said: >> Nothing but hot air... I love it! > > Hot air, indeed: "The first model is what Oracle calls a Component Model, > which offers "a la carte," or *on-demand*, pricing." > > What's next? Oracle codernauts? >
Double Echo said: > Wow. Codernauts... you'd have to stay aware from infringement... O > them... Odornauts.... Yes ... but Oracle stinks ... :o? -- Bye now, Obnoxio "I don't read newspapers anymore except the local rag which I do weekly to cheer myself trying to see if anyone I hate has been stabbed." -- Horribilis XVI -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by OpenProtect(http://www.openprotect.com), and is believed to be clean.
Serge Rielau wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: >> Serge Rielau wrote: >>> Mark Townsend wrote: >>>> I'm not sure I am following this anymore - what revenue numbers do >>>> we need to break out and why ? >>> *lol*This tread has gotten a bit confusing, eh? >>> Let me summarize: >>> 1. You: IBM doesn't break out IDS revenue! >>> 2. I: Oracle doesn't break out detail revenue either, so what's your >>> point? I wonder what Oracle DBMS revenues were this quarter. >> >> Is this what you were looking for? >> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/061219/116654500116.html?.v=1 >> >> Larry is no doubt considering tossing in the proverbial towel. <g> > You must be living a parallel universe. > I don't see any broken out numbers. Serge ... ;-) and :-) and <g> all mean ... the response is lighthearted. Does the "blue" in Big Blue refer to depression? -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Puget Sound Oracle Users Group www.psoug.org