Re: The one with the smartest data wins?
This is an off-topic chat thread, not a technical support question. It starts with a link to IBM's "Smarter Planet" marketing page from Sam Palmisano and a joke that a smart planet needs "smart data" — a nod to Informix's own "Smart Data" marketing campaign of roughly 1997–99. The exchange turns into banter and opinion: that IDS/DataBlades offer better extensibility than DB2 Extenders or Oracle Data Cartridges but won't be promoted, plus asides on hardware refresh economics, US healthcare costs and tort reform. No technical problem is posed and no resolution is recorded.
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Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > http://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/smartplanet/20081106/index.shtml?sa_campaign=message/ideas/leadspace/all/planetflash > > If you're gonna have a smart planet, you gotta have smart data! :o) Upon reflection, I don't know if it's all that funny: http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2008/11/ugh.html -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
On Nov 7, 4:20 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >http://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/smartplanet/20081106/index.sht... > > > If you're gonna have a smart planet, you gotta have smart data! :o) > > Upon reflection, I don't know if it's all that funny:http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2008/11/ugh.html > Naw its just funny because it shows that in some ways, Informix's marketing message was 10 years ahead of their times. :-) Or that IBM is lame enough to borrow upon a failed marketing attempt by equating data with intelligence. There is no "smurt" data. Just smurt people who can interpret the data, or know what data to create so that they can track the data. And it goes to something else.... IDS is the database with the best extensibility ability. Who knows anything about DB2 Extenders or Oracle's "Data Cartridges" ? Nada. DataBlades? More information is available in the public and more companies take advantage of the datablades than the competition. So if Sam wants "Smurt Data", then he should be also pushing IDS. But we all know that it will never happen. ;-) Hey! What do I know? Given enough velocity, even pigs can "fly". -G
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Nov 7, 4:20 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: >> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>> http://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/smartplanet/20081106/index.sht... >>> If you're gonna have a smart planet, you gotta have smart data! :o) >> Upon reflection, I don't know if it's all that funny:http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2008/11/ugh.html >> > > Naw its just funny because it shows that in some ways, Informix's > marketing message was 10 years ahead of their times. :-) Or that IBM > is lame enough to borrow upon a failed marketing attempt by equating > data with intelligence. There is no "smurt" data. Just smurt people > who can interpret the data, or know what data to create so that they > can track the data. > > And it goes to something else.... > > IDS is the database with the best extensibility ability. Who knows > anything about DB2 Extenders or Oracle's "Data Cartridges" ? Nada. > DataBlades? More information is available in the public and more > companies take advantage of the datablades than the competition. > > So if Sam wants "Smurt Data", then he should be also pushing IDS. > > But we all know that it will never happen. ;-) > > Hey! What do I know? You certainly don't know enough to have read Sam's actual pitch. -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
On Nov 7, 7:24 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > On Nov 7, 4:20 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > >> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > >>>http://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/smartplanet/20081106/index.sht... > >>> If you're gonna have a smart planet, you gotta have smart data! :o) > >> Upon reflection, I don't know if it's all that funny:http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2008/11/ugh.html > > > Naw its just funny because it shows that in some ways, Informix's > > marketing message was 10 years ahead of their times. :-) Or that IBM > > is lame enough to borrow upon a failed marketing attempt by equating > > data with intelligence. There is no "smurt" data. Just smurt people > > who can interpret the data, or know what data to create so that they > > can track the data. > > > And it goes to something else.... > > > IDS is the database with the best extensibility ability. Who knows > > anything about DB2 Extenders or Oracle's "Data Cartridges" ? Nada. > > DataBlades? More information is available in the public and more > > companies take advantage of the datablades than the competition. > > > So if Sam wants "Smurt Data", then he should be also pushing IDS. > > > But we all know that it will never happen. ;-) > > > Hey! What do I know? > > You certainly don't know enough to have read Sam's actual pitch. > > -- > Cheers, > Obnoxio The Clown > > http://obotheclown.blogspot.com Silly clown. I was talking about the "smart data". Sam's pitch? He and IBM are jumping on the Obama campaign wagon. "Change is the new mantra". Only thing is that for most of us in the IT profession, Change is a constant. ;-) But since you want to read in to Sam's web page... Yes he is correct. We are very inefficient. A barrier to adoption is the value proposition of the newer technology weighed against the cost of replacing existing technology. Why should I spend $$$ on upgrading my servers just to save $ on my electricity bill? That's the point. My existing systems still work and while they are less efficient than today's model, the cost to upgrade exceed the value of early replacement. Note, I will be replacing some of my machines over the next year or two because of my normal upgrade cycle. Going with a SuperMicro box that has 12+ 2.5" hot swap bays and a server board that has multiple PCIe 16x slots would allow for a combo of both SAS and SATA raid systems in the same box. (I can put blob pages on SATA while the real data is on SAS) Also looking at the vid card to double as a GPU. But I digress.... With respect to healthcare, Sam is blowing smoke and rhetoric. Want to cut the costs of health care? Shoot the lawyers. (Can you say tort/ malpractice reform?) That will help. Also, as we advance our technology, the cost of purchasing , training, maintaining the health equipment is increasing. Chemotherapy has changed in the past 10 years since my father's death. The newer drugs cost money on R&D and the more it costs to invent, that cost has to be passed on... Oh there's more, don't get me started on health care. The truth is that the system is broken and the first place to start would be in tort/ malpractice reform. Just as anyone in Southern Illinois who gets a head injury and requires a neurologist consult. It could cost them their lives. (Many neurologists moved or stopped practicing a few years back because of a malpractice lawsuit that went bad.) Sam's little pitch is aimed at trying to align IBM with the new president. But lets forget about the number of people made redundant in the US as their jobs move to lower cost offshore locations. Oooh! Lets not go there cause that's one of the stumps on Obama's platform. (Keeping US jobs in the US) But hey! What do I know? I was just poking fun of the following quote: "Almost any object can become digitally aware and interconnected—or "smart." And every single one of these interactions represents a chance to do something better, more productively." Its a play back to the Smart Data campaign ran by Informix a little over 10 years ago. Geez for a clown you sure have a short memory...
Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Nov 7, 7:24 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>> On Nov 7, 4:20 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: >>>> Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >>>>> http://www.ibm.com/ibm/ideasfromibm/us/smartplanet/20081106/index.sht... >>>>> If you're gonna have a smart planet, you gotta have smart data! :o) >>>> Upon reflection, I don't know if it's all that funny:http://obotheclown.blogspot.com/2008/11/ugh.html >>> Naw its just funny because it shows that in some ways, Informix's >>> marketing message was 10 years ahead of their times. :-) Or that IBM >>> is lame enough to borrow upon a failed marketing attempt by equating >>> data with intelligence. There is no "smurt" data. Just smurt people >>> who can interpret the data, or know what data to create so that they >>> can track the data. >>> And it goes to something else.... >>> IDS is the database with the best extensibility ability. Who knows >>> anything about DB2 Extenders or Oracle's "Data Cartridges" ? Nada. >>> DataBlades? More information is available in the public and more >>> companies take advantage of the datablades than the competition. >>> So if Sam wants "Smurt Data", then he should be also pushing IDS. >>> But we all know that it will never happen. ;-) >>> Hey! What do I know? >> You certainly don't know enough to have read Sam's actual pitch. >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> Obnoxio The Clown >> >> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com > > Silly clown. > > I was talking about the "smart data". > > Sam's pitch? > He and IBM are jumping on the Obama campaign wagon. > "Change is the new mantra". > Only thing is that for most of us in the IT profession, Change is a > constant. ;-) > > But since you want to read in to Sam's web page... > Yes he is correct. We are very inefficient. > > A barrier to adoption is the value proposition of the newer technology > weighed against the cost of replacing existing technology. > > Why should I spend $$$ on upgrading my servers just to save $ on my > electricity bill? That's the point. My existing systems still work and > while they are less efficient than today's model, the cost to upgrade > exceed the value of early replacement. Note, I will be replacing some > of my machines over the next year or two because of my normal upgrade > cycle. Going with a SuperMicro box that has 12+ 2.5" hot swap bays and > a server board that has multiple PCIe 16x slots would allow for a > combo of both SAS and SATA raid systems in the same box. (I can put > blob pages on SATA while the real data is on SAS) Also looking at the > vid card to double as a GPU. But I digress.... > > With respect to healthcare, Sam is blowing smoke and rhetoric. Want to > cut the costs of health care? Shoot the lawyers. (Can you say tort/ > malpractice reform?) That will help. Also, as we advance our > technology, the cost of purchasing , training, maintaining the health > equipment is increasing. Chemotherapy has changed in the past 10 years > since my father's death. The newer drugs cost money on R&D and the > more it costs to invent, that cost has to be passed on... Oh there's > more, don't get me started on health care. The truth is that the > system is broken and the first place to start would be in tort/ > malpractice reform. Just as anyone in Southern Illinois who gets a > head injury and requires a neurologist consult. It could cost them > their lives. (Many neurologists moved or stopped practicing a few > years back because of a malpractice lawsuit that went bad.) > > > Sam's little pitch is aimed at trying to align IBM with the new > president. > But lets forget about the number of people made redundant in the US as > their jobs move to lower cost offshore locations. Oooh! Lets not go > there cause that's one of the stumps on Obama's platform. (Keeping US > jobs in the US) > > But hey! > What do I know? I was just poking fun of the following quote: > "Almost any object can become digitally aware and interconnected—or > "smart." And every single one of these interactions represents a > chance to do something better, more productively." > > Its a play back to the Smart Data campaign ran by Informix a little > over 10 years ago. > > Geez for a clown you sure have a short memory... At least mine reaches back to the start of this thread, where I said, fully aware of the context: "If you're gonna have a smart planet, you gotta have smart data! :o)" (Fully agreed about the lawyers, though.) -- Cheers, Obnoxio The Clown http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
On Nov 7, 10:14 am, Obnoxio The Clown <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > Geez for a clown you sure have a short memory... > > At least mine reaches back to the start of this thread, where I said, > fully aware of the context: "If you're gonna have a smart planet, you > gotta have smart data! :o)" > > (Fully agreed about the lawyers, though.) > And I was poking fun at your title . Smurt data was a Diane Fraiman campaign from the '97-99 time frame. The only people making money these days are the lawyers. Doctors are getting hammered on insurance companies reimbursement rates and higher malpractice costs. Lawyers? They know the law and a good lawyer is worth the money. Only thing is that even in bad economies you can't offshore your lawyer. ;-) -G