RE: OT was Oracle 10G

And from my experience as a computer trainer teaching databases and 4GL I have less difficulty teaching people who don't have degrees. It's funny but they don't have any pre-conceived ideas of "good database design and practice" taught by people who have not seen a real-life application for many years. But this experience of mine isn't only in the informix arena. I found the same when I was teaching data comms. In fact my most successful students have been those with no qualifications at all. Maybe I'm a cynic, but I see so much software produced nowadays with very basic design flaws, with basic errors in the man machine interface, and with basic errors in testing. And all of this is developed by organisations who insist on people with computer science degrees. Or am I expecting too much. Like a system that confirms when I have done something, rather than leaving me hanging after pressing SUBMIT, or a system that does not allow me to delete people from a pay-to list when I no longer need to pay that organisation, which in turn leads to incorrect payment being made. But as another correspondent has pointed out - they've moved all programming to India because it's cheaper. They've moved lots of call-centres to India because they are cheaper. Another idea that I have heard mentioned is that we should export all of our old people to India because it would be cheaper to look after them there. I have a vision in a few years of retiring from the computer industry, being exported to India because it's cheaper to look after me there, and becoming a guru to all these indian programmers. Now there's a thought. I look forward to meeting you all there. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org] On Behalf Of Obnoxio The Clown Sent: 09 March 2004 22:19 To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: OT was Oracle 10G Daniel Morgan wrote: > malcolm weallans wrote: >> I've never subscribed to the view that a degree was essential for any >> job, and for programming it is often a drawback. It seems to me that >> to get a degree you have to think like other people, whereas the good >> programmers think differently to others. >> >> Malcolm > > <SARCASM> > Which of course makes programming different from physics, chemistry, > medicine, law, and numerous other professions. </SARCASM> Well, sure. I mean, everyone knows good, streetwise programmers are smarter than any of those... -- "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche sending to informix-list