Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com]

On Aug 5, 11:55 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > On Aug 5, 11:03 am, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > >> Gumpy, > > >> I get the mailer, I see the IIUG stuff. It's all good. I get several emails > >> from IBM as a VAR, they have no IDS information at all, instead they are pushing > >> Websphere, and a lot of useless crap that I'm not sure anybody is actually using. > >> You shouldn't complain about blogs, geeez blogs are a lot of work, so the ones > >> that are out are enough. As you too often point out IDS needs marketing. But > >> it's not going to happen as long as IBM owns Informix software. None of the people > >> who are in control have the mental capacity to think outside their IBM zone. > > > In deep, No and Yes. ;-) No about complaining about the blogs, and > > Yes, marketing is an issue that IBM no longer grasps. > > > I think you're missing the point. > > I'll admit its a subtle point that clearly IBM execs have been missing > > over the years. > > > If I was a customer who didn't know IDS existed, how would I find > > these blogs or resources? > > YOU are missing the point. IBM as a company is not interested in doing > anything beyond mechanical, wooden, corporate plantation communication. > > You keep throwing stones at a window with bullet-proof glass, and somehow > expecting a different result. IBM has all the time in the world to do > anything they want, there is no motivation from any of those wooden, > mechanical bots to do anything outside their automaton existence. IBM > doesn't care about blogs, they already have that checked off the list, > and anything else they actually _do_ put out has to follow the robotic > plan, nothing else is important. There are too many controls in place at > IBM to keep people in check, so even if there are a few brave souls, they > are never enough to change anything. > > Regarding viral marketing, it can't work for Informix unless there is a > starting point, such as an endorsement from some big company that says > Informix is ok, use it. And that message can't come from some unknown > VAR that nobody knows about or cares about. It has to be a part of the > campaign, to boot strap the virus. There used to be this thing called > marketing, where the vendor gave away stuff ( swag ) to get some material > buy-in from developers, DBAs, and managers. I still have a Informix > coffee cup or two, haven't for the life of me figured out why I should > save the damn things, but somehow that connection kept me linked to the > product. Back to the basics, t-shirts, coffee cups, pens, pencils, and > Informix will be back. > > -ID- LOL... Tossing pebbles at a window is to get someone's attention. I guess I could launch a HEAT round, but then I'd kill all the occupants in the vehicle. Now we wouldn't want that. Kind of defeats the point. The point is that we want to get their attention with causing the least amount of damage. I mean tossing out a spike strip to shred the tires would get their attention, however you've now wasted 4 sets of radials and depending on their speed, you could have caused a serious accident. And then they'd be pissed cause you've now ruined their ride. Or there exist kinetic kill weapons. (KE=1/2mv^2) ;-) Viral marketing is a possibility. Only IBM will muck it up because they don't understand human nature. ;-) But then, assuming what you have said is true, then why does IBM fund the IIUG? What exactly are you saying about the IIUG's ability to gain the attention of IBMers and to help change their approach? In truth, had I gone up and sent an e-mail directly to Alyse or Jerry, or Cathy, etc ... do you think that it would have any effect? No. Nothing more than the polite... "Thank you for your feedback, we'll look in to it." response. The whole point of the "Gumby" persona was in fact to publicly poke fun of their missteps. Sending an e-mail and politely saying that things really aren't working and that their own sales team are not effectively communicating would fall on deaf ears. Getting myself and a bunch of BPs and customers talking about how foolish their customer facing team looks when you mention IDS. Now that's has more weight and will get their attention. I'm tossing a pebble. A lone pebble. But if there were more people tossing pebbles... Each one doesn't do damage. But the cacophony would get their attention without hurting anyone behind their bullet proof glass.

> I'm tossing a pebble. That would make you a tosser then. > But if there were more people tossing > pebbles... Uh huh. A whole bunch of Informix tossers...

> From: markbtownsend@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: Does anyone read the e-mails from [mailto:db2@news.db2mag.com] > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:22:15 -0700 > To: informix-list@iiug.org > > > I'm tossing a pebble. > > That would make you a tosser then. > > > But if there were more people tossing > > pebbles... > > Uh huh. A whole bunch of Informix tossers... > Aw widdle marky made a funny. I guess a couple of posters embarrassed him over how great some of Oracle's replication features work. Either that or he had some Irish Coffee this morning and is feeling a pair. _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM