Re: No future for DB2--er I mean Informix
Data Goob said: > > Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> Jean Sagi said: >> >>>Online 5. as open source = Quite cool. >> >> >> But hugely impractical, as it would reveal far too much about IDS to the >> competition. >> > What competition? > > BWAHHAHAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > > There is no competition to Informix, it doesn't exist. > > Anything Informix would reveal at this point would be > purely academic as the majority of systems out there > do not use it. It was only at one time 5% of the market, > so it's doubtful putting it out as open source is going > to somehow jeopardize its ranking--it could only improve > it. Its not like the big 3 even care about it, hell, > Sybase stands a better chance of making a comeback at > this point, riding on SQL-Server's coattails. > > What a laugh. Oh, don't be such a f*cking tosser all your life: the information that it would reveal to other database manufacturers would be like giving away a helping of IBM's R&D budget. Who's going to do that? The same problem exists for GPLing SE. Even if IBM ever did make SE "free", I can't see them GPLing it. Ever. -- Bye now, Obnoxio "C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ' dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule" - Coluche A smile is a gift that is free to the giver and precious to the recipient. But giving someone the finger is free too, and I find it more personal and sincere. sending to informix-list
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: [cutting] > Oh, don't be such a f*cking tosser all your life: Harsh but fair:-) > the information that it > would reveal to other database manufacturers would be like giving away a > helping of IBM's R&D budget. Who's going to do that? The same problem > exists for GPLing SE. > > Even if IBM ever did make SE "free", I can't see them GPLing it. Ever. > -- Paul Watson # Oninit Ltd # Growing old is mandatory Tel: +44 1436 672201 # Growing up is optional Fax: +44 1436 678693 # Mob: +44 7818 003457 # www.oninit.com #
Obnoxio The Clown wrote: > Data Goob said: > >>Obnoxio The Clown wrote: >> >>>Jean Sagi said: >>> >>> >>>>Online 5. as open source = Quite cool. >>> >>> >>>But hugely impractical, as it would reveal far too much about IDS to the >>>competition. >>> >> >>What competition? >> >>BWAHHAHAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! >> >>There is no competition to Informix, it doesn't exist. >> >>Anything Informix would reveal at this point would be >>purely academic as the majority of systems out there >>do not use it. It was only at one time 5% of the market, >>so it's doubtful putting it out as open source is going >>to somehow jeopardize its ranking--it could only improve >>it. Its not like the big 3 even care about it, hell, >>Sybase stands a better chance of making a comeback at >>this point, riding on SQL-Server's coattails. >> >>What a laugh. > > > Oh, don't be such a f*cking tosser all your life: the information that it > would reveal to other database manufacturers would be like giving away a > helping of IBM's R&D budget. Who's going to do that? The same problem > exists for GPLing SE. > > Even if IBM ever did make SE "free", I can't see them GPLing it. Ever. > I fail to fully appreciate being called a tosser--is that something related to the circus? :-) CA released Ingres and look at the difference it made, it rocked the market for what 10 minutes, long enough to read the article in the trades. Of course it's irrelevant technology, but Informix did pull in Illustra/Postgres code at some point--and at a time in '95 or so when Postgres and Illustra were REALLY irrelevant. Besides, what with all the employee swapping at the major vendors, don't you think they all know what each other has anyway? We both know the answer to the problem, marketing. Larry and Bill haven't changed much in their "inferior" code in what +10 years for Larry, and for Bill, SQL-Server hasn't changed much in at least 5 years. I don't think they care too much about the "superior" technology argument, but more about superior marketing. Releasing SE to the market as open source isn't going to change Oracle or SQL-Server, they have too much going their way leaving things as they are. And that may apply to IBM as well, it may have nothing to do with exposing "superior" technology, it may well be that it doesn't really serve a larger interest, such as Cloudscape and Java. Until IBM or even Larry and Bill feel the pain from open source they aren't going to bother GPL'ing anything, but take a look at what happened over at SUN, who swore they'd never go x86, never go Linux, never go open source... The pain is coming, it's just a matter of time.