Re: Excellent future for DB2
This is not a technical problem thread at all, but a tail-end of a DB2-vs-Oracle advocacy argument. After someone noted they'd used DB2 longer and found it easier, Daniel Morgan argued that people almost always prefer the product they know best because they've learned its workarounds and overlook its flaws. Others disputed this (one citing preferring Linux/macOS despite far more Windows experience), and the thread quickly dissolved into jokes. No technical issue is raised and no resolution is recorded.
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Anton Versteeg wrote: > Bob Jones wrote: > > Ah, finally *facts* change into *opinions* > I have used both Oracle and DB2 and I find DB2 a lot easier to use. > Ok, I'll be fair , I have used DB2 a lot longer. Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far more experience with product A than B but prefer B. Everyone always tends to favour that which they know best ... because we have learned how to work around its flaws. -- Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > Anton Versteeg wrote: > >> Bob Jones wrote: >> >> Ah, finally *facts* change into *opinions* >> I have used both Oracle and DB2 and I find DB2 a lot easier to use. >> Ok, I'll be fair , I have used DB2 a lot longer. > > > Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would > be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far > more experience with product A than B but prefer B. Everyone always > tends to favour that which they know best ... because we have learned > how to work around its flaws. Daniel, you got your wires crossed. Anton (who emails from nl-dot-ibm-dot-com, by the way...) says he used DB2 longer and likes it better. -- Regards, Frank van Bortel
DA Morgan wrote: >Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would >be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far >more experience with product A than B but prefer B. Everyone always >tends to favour that which they know best ... because we have learned >how to work around its flaws. In the mid-80's there came a point where I was saying this a lot, because I had experienced certain R products, but eventually had more work with the hierarchical products that were the mainstays. So I would use R concepts for design on the H products, but could honestly say I preferred the R products. But in general, I think your point is both valid and self-supporting, as people will tend to stay with what they like. Or not, if they buy into the buzzword thing. I could easily see young'uns learning newer stuff in school and then getting work in older stuff, for example. Which might have happened to me had I not been exposed to relational stuff first as work, then later in continuing school. Larry wrote: >And being #1 or #2 or #3 is usually good enough to maintain survival. Have I got a deal in airline stocks for you! jg -- @home.com is bogus. Do Not Iron Wearing Shirt.
"DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message news:1123597724.916135@yasure... > > Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would > be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far > more experience with product A than B but prefer B. I have far more experience with ugly women than attractive ones. But I prefer attractive ones.
Frank van Bortel wrote: > DA Morgan wrote: > >>Anton Versteeg wrote: >> >> >>>Bob Jones wrote: >>> >>>Ah, finally *facts* change into *opinions* >>>I have used both Oracle and DB2 and I find DB2 a lot easier to use. >>>Ok, I'll be fair , I have used DB2 a lot longer. >> >> >>Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would >>be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far >>more experience with product A than B but prefer B. Everyone always >>tends to favour that which they know best ... because we have learned >>how to work around its flaws. > > > Daniel, you got your wires crossed. > > Anton (who emails from nl-dot-ibm-dot-com, by the way...) says he used > DB2 longer and likes it better. That was, I thought, my point. Interviews I have conducted indicate that people 90+% of the time prefer that which they know the most because they have learned the workarounds and can overlook the warts. Of course the still doesn't mean I don't have a wire or a screw loose. ;-) -- Daniel A. Morgan http://www.psoug.org damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
DA Morgan wrote: > > That was, I thought, my point. Interviews I have conducted indicate that > people 90+% of the time prefer that which they know the most because > they have learned the workarounds and can overlook the warts. > I have used windows a very long time, but now, I'm using linux and MacOSX. I detest windows(, not Microsoft, but windows). Still, I used it a lot and still prefer linux and even MacOSX (which is faaaar less in usage time than windows) over windows. And trust me, you'll need some workarounds for windows. So this theory of usage vs. preferation is bullocks in my opinion. Stil, admitted, if you use something, and are not aware of the alternatives, you'd most likely prefer what you're using at that moment. -R-
DA Morgan wrote: > > That was, I thought, my point. Interviews I have conducted indicate that > people 90+% of the time prefer that which they know the most because > they have learned the workarounds and can overlook the warts. > > Of course the still doesn't mean I don't have a wire or a screw loose. ;-) No it doesn't. :) I finally got your point - took me three more times to read the original replay, though - maybe my English screw was in metric? -- Regards, Frank van Bortel
Captain Pedantic wrote: > "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message > news:1123597724.916135@yasure... > > > > Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would > > be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far > > more experience with product A than B but prefer B. > > I have far more experience with ugly women than attractive ones. But I > prefer attractive ones. If you put lipstick on a pig, you have a pig wearing lipstick. But if you get drunk enough, va-va-VOOM! Just ask Kermit. jg -- @home.com is bogus. I've heard of dated mainframes, but that would be ridiculous.
<joel-garry@home.com> wrote in message news:1123697971.187506.56370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Captain Pedantic wrote: >> "DA Morgan" <damorgan@psoug.org> wrote in message >> news:1123597724.916135@yasure... >> > >> > Finally a bit of honesty surfaces in this thread. I think it would >> > be fascinating to hear from anyone that can honestly say I have far >> > more experience with product A than B but prefer B. >> >> I have far more experience with ugly women than attractive ones. But I >> prefer attractive ones. > > If you put lipstick on a pig, you have a pig wearing lipstick. > > But if you get drunk enough, va-va-VOOM! Just ask Kermit Indeed! Q. What's the difference between a dog and a fox? A. About 5 pints.
On 10 Aug 2005 11:19:31 -0700, joel-garry@home.com wrote: >But if you get drunk enough, va-va-VOOM Who gets drunk? The pig or the frog? -- Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA