Re: Smoke and mirrors...

On Oct 12, 2:20 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > > To your point. Yes IDS will perform much better that either Oracle or > > DB2 in a VM environment. > > Let's not make sweeping statements without facts.  I have been happy with IDS > so far on VMware Fusion on my Macbook Pro, but I have not had a history of > experience with it under any appreciable load.  I have been impressed so far > using Perl with it, it is *very* responsive, but this is purely my opinion, > my subjective, biased opinion, it in no way proves that IDS is scalable on a > VM.  Having said that, I have been advised AGAINST running Oracle 10g in a > VM of _any_ kind, this came from Oracle, nowhere else.  I doubt that Oracle > database would perform well as I've indicated in my previous post.  We _were_ > able to get Oracle Apps to function on ESX, but it was a risky proposition, > one I would not recommend for the faint of heart, and certainly not something > you do without ESX expertise.  Don't think you're just going to slap apps on > ESX and expect it to scale, it requires some baby sitting and tweaking, and > it's a high risk venture, YMMV. > > > That's why its one of the "greenest" databases on the market. > > > Too bad no one from IBM's "marketing" department has caught on. > > Now _that_ appears to be true. > > > And funny that you mention it, but when you talk about VCPUs (virtual > > CPUs), what release of IDS had them? > > One would say IDS was "virtualized" many moons before it was > > fashionable. ;-) > > Virtual processors in IDS are distinctly different than an operating > system VM, I'm not sure where you make the connection.  We need to be > careful mixing things up about VMs.  It is the same problem when talking > about clustering, whether it's compute-clustering, shared-nothing, etc etc. > Let's be factual and focused so that we can maintain some credibility. > > -ID- > Sigh. Do I need to draw you a map? On one half of a white board, draw what you think represents a VM. On the other draw what you think is how IDS works.

Ian Michael Gumby wrote: > On Oct 12, 2:20 pm, InDeep <ind...@indeep.com> wrote: >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote: >>> To your point. Yes IDS will perform much better that either Oracle or >>> DB2 in a VM environment. >> Let's not make sweeping statements without facts. I have been happy with IDS >> so far on VMware Fusion on my Macbook Pro, but I have not had a history of >> experience with it under any appreciable load. I have been impressed so far >> using Perl with it, it is *very* responsive, but this is purely my opinion, >> my subjective, biased opinion, it in no way proves that IDS is scalable on a >> VM. Having said that, I have been advised AGAINST running Oracle 10g in a >> VM of _any_ kind, this came from Oracle, nowhere else. I doubt that Oracle >> database would perform well as I've indicated in my previous post. We _were_ >> able to get Oracle Apps to function on ESX, but it was a risky proposition, >> one I would not recommend for the faint of heart, and certainly not something >> you do without ESX expertise. Don't think you're just going to slap apps on >> ESX and expect it to scale, it requires some baby sitting and tweaking, and >> it's a high risk venture, YMMV. >> >>> That's why its one of the "greenest" databases on the market. >>> Too bad no one from IBM's "marketing" department has caught on. >> Now _that_ appears to be true. >> >>> And funny that you mention it, but when you talk about VCPUs (virtual >>> CPUs), what release of IDS had them? >>> One would say IDS was "virtualized" many moons before it was >>> fashionable. ;-) >> Virtual processors in IDS are distinctly different than an operating >> system VM, I'm not sure where you make the connection. We need to be >> careful mixing things up about VMs. It is the same problem when talking >> about clustering, whether it's compute-clustering, shared-nothing, etc etc. >> Let's be factual and focused so that we can maintain some credibility. >> >> -ID- >> > Sigh. > Do I need to draw you a map? > > On one half of a white board, draw what you think represents a VM. On > the other draw what you think is how IDS works. "Truth often suffers more by the heat of its defenders, than from the arguments of it opposers." ~William Penn's Fruits of Solitude -- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)