IDS 10 Download?

So........... There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? Very Interesting... What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get Sybase ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just that...

"Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... > So........... > > There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? > > Very Interesting... > > What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get Sybase ASE > 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? > > Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just > that... If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After you've jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX.

Neil Truby wrote: > "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... > >>So........... >> >>There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >> >>Very Interesting... >> >>What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get Sybase ASE >>12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >> >>Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just >>that... > > > If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under "Highlights", > there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After you've jumped through the > hoops there are downloads available for IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. > > I found it here: https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=ifxids Curious that the infamous IIUG didn't provide the link in the IFMX-10 announcement. Incidentally the download shows Linux RedHat RHEL 3, with the 2.4 kernel. Any ideas when it will be available for the 2.6 kernel? 2.4 is like yesterday...

No Solaris though, bit of a bummer Neil Truby wrote: > "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... > >>So........... >> >>There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >> >>Very Interesting... >> >>What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get Sybase ASE >>12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >> >>Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just >>that... > > > If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under "Highlights", > there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After you've jumped through the > hoops there are downloads available for IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. > > -- Paul Watson # Oninit Ltd # Growing old is mandatory Tel: +44 1436 672201 # Growing up is optional Fax: +44 1436 678693 # Mob: +44 7818 003457 # www.oninit.com #

"Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message news:8JtUd.236$Sw2.138@text.usenetserver.com... > Curious that the infamous IIUG didn't provide the link in the IFMX-10 > announcement. Well "The IIUG", by which I take you mean the Directors, are volunteers, and can't cover everything. Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to get off your arse and find things out for yourself instead of waiting to be spoon-fed.

"Paul Watson" <paul@oninit.com> wrote in message news:cvuiug$dnn$1@thorium.cix.co.uk... > No Solaris though, bit of a bummer No, a bit odd that. The same applies for 9.40 UC5. But HP-UX, SOlaris etc ports exist for both products on PA. Maybe there is is a deliberate policy to restrict the OSs for which IDS trials are available. But it's difficult to think why: trial versions of DB2 UDB EE for example are available on all these platforms. I'll see if I can find out why, or maybe someone like scottishpoet will know.

Data Goob wrote: > Incidentally the download shows Linux RedHat RHEL 3, with the 2.4 > kernel. Any ideas > when it will be available for the 2.6 kernel? 2.4 is like yesterday... I guess there won't be a separate version for SuSE Linux Enterprise server either. As I have posted before I found that 9.40.UC5 runs considerably better under 2.6 than under 2.4, the main reason being that I was able to allocate more memory to the engine without it dying on start-up. Ben.

"Paul Watson" <paul@oninit.com> wrote in message news:cvuiug$dnn$1@thorium.cix.co.uk... > No Solaris though, bit of a bummer I note also - and this has been confirmed by one of the IBM Worldwide execs - that 9 -> 10 is a free upgrade for those in current maintenance, so Well Done IBM for that.

Goob, IDS 10 has been available to download from the IBM PartnerWorld webiste for a number of weeks now. have you signed up for IBM PartnerWorld? That is the facility IBM uses to push products out to devvelopers.

Goob, IDS 10 has been available to download from the IBM PartnerWorld webiste for a number of weeks now. have you signed up for IBM PartnerWorld? That is the facility IBM uses to push products out to devvelopers.

Solaris is ceasing to be relevant. Soon it will be in the same boat as SCO, as well as HP/UX. Paul Watson wrote: > No Solaris though, bit of a bummer > > Neil Truby wrote: > >> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >> news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... >> >>> So........... >>> >>> There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >>> >>> Very Interesting... >>> >>> What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get Sybase >>> ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >>> >>> Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just >>> that... >> >> >> >> If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under >> "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After you've >> jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for IDS v10 on >> Linux, Windows and AIX. >> > >

Well, they wen to the trouble to make an announcement, and I see the tinyurl for other things--which by the way takes more effort than just pasting the full url--so pasting the url to the download was not a big deal. Neil Truby wrote: > "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:8JtUd.236$Sw2.138@text.usenetserver.com... > > >>Curious that the infamous IIUG didn't provide the link in the IFMX-10 >>announcement. > > > Well "The IIUG", by which I take you mean the Directors, are volunteers, and > can't cover everything. Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to get off your > arse and find things out for yourself instead of waiting to be spoon-fed. > >

Thanks for the update. I only heard about it through the grapevine. Informix isn't the only product I have to keep up on, I also have to watch DB2, Sybase, TSM, and a few Windows products as well. BTW I didn't get any news about it that I can remember from IBMDeveloperWorks. And I will not be attending any conferences, at least not for a while, don't have the money to burn on that. scottishpoet wrote: > Goob, > > IDS 10 has been available to download from the IBM PartnerWorld webiste > for a number of weeks now. > > have you signed up for IBM PartnerWorld? That is the facility IBM uses > to push products out to devvelopers. >

Really :-) Data Goob wrote: > Solaris is ceasing to be relevant. > > Soon it will be in the same boat as SCO, as well as HP/UX. > > Paul Watson wrote: > >> No Solaris though, bit of a bummer >> >> Neil Truby wrote: >> >>> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >>> news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... >>> >>>> So........... >>>> >>>> There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >>>> >>>> Very Interesting... >>>> >>>> What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get Sybase >>>> ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >>>> >>>> Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just >>>> that... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under >>> "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After >>> you've jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for IDS >>> v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. >>> >> >> > -- Paul Watson # Oninit Ltd # Growing old is mandatory Tel: +44 1436 672201 # Growing up is optional Fax: +44 1436 678693 # Mob: +44 7818 003457 # www.oninit.com #

Found the first bug... Windows 2000 version running on Windows XP Service Pack 2.. installed in F:\\informix Start->All Programs->Informix Dynamic Server 10.0->Release Notes. shortcut points to F:\\Informix\\release\\en_us\\04e4\\ids_win_release_notes_10.00.html file is in F:\\Informix\\release\\en_us\\04e4\\ but is called...ids_win_release_notes_10.0.html 10.0.html NOT 10.00.html! Did I get the first post with a bug? Did I? Did I? Can someone log this? David Williams

I'm playing with IDS 10.0 for windows 2k. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/ids9help/index.jsp "Creating a Cluster Installation on Windows The IBM Informix ClusterIT utilities provide two dialog boxes to perform the following tasks: Create the primary node for a Dynamic Server cluster Install and configure Dynamic Server as a secondary node in a cluster" Well the Windows 2000 zip file contain a clusterit folder at the top level but it is empty! Huh?

"Administering the Database Server in Single-User Mode As a Database Administrator, you can use a new single-user mode that is an intermediary mode between quiescent mode and online mode." Is that like XPS's micro-kernel mode?

By the way...I thought NUMCPUVPS,AFF_SPROCS,AFF_NPROCS and possibly even SINGLE_CPU_VP is depreciated? VPCLASS is the new way..sure I saw this in a ONCONFIG file somewhere (9.40.UC5?) but IDS 10.0 has no mention of VPCLASS and still has NUMCPUVPS etc!! Perhaps onconfig.std for 10.0 needs updating?

So many questions... I have played with multiple buffer pools and different page sizes... creating a dbspace with an 8k page size..oh wow! Make size is only 16K though...oracle (where I guess this idea came from) allows 64K! onstat -h (buffer hash chain info) gives two outputsone for each buffer pool size! So does onstat -P (partition buffer summary) and onstat -R (LRU queues!) and even onstat -X (list of sharers and waiters for buffers)!! Looking for more onstat stuff.... - onstat -g ioq q name/id sqli_dbg is that sqli debug? still available even though I heard sqliprint is not in the client sdk anymore! And with it's own I/O queue? - onstat -g sch gives thread migration stats! - onstat -g seg only has one resident segment even though I have two buffer pools! - onstat -g mem shows two pools...res-buff0 and ovrfl-buff1 I am guessing the second is the 8k buffer pool dynamically added? - onstat -g buf ...like onstat -p but per buffer pool! Cool Stuff!

Found something I don't like. onconfig BUFFERS parameters are :- #Following parameters are realted to the buffer pool BUFFERPOOL default,buffers=1000,lrus=8,lru_min_dirty=50,lru_max_dirty=60 BUFFERPOOL size=4k,buffers=1000,lrus=8,lru_min_dirty=50,lru_max_dirty=60 BUFFERPOOL size=2k,buffers=1000,lrus=8,lru_min_dirty=50,lru_max_dirty=60 Note NO 8k entry!! created a new dbspace djw1 with 8k page size. 23:39:35 Successfully added a bufferpool of page size 8K. appears in the message log. Restart online and it fails to start... 00:06:53 Error : The value of Buffer pool for 8K pagesize used bydbspace 'djw1' is either missing or invalid. Correct the value in onconfig file and restart the server. 00:06:53 IBM Informix Dynamic Server Stopped. so IDS can dynamically add a buffer pool but it will then fail to restart. urrgh! I can see me on site..Quick bit of maintenance.. "No it's not a problem I'm just changing <X> almost no chance it will not restart..would need to be a bug...oh f**k what happened"...customer leaning over me...not fun! IDS should always restart not be in a state when a power failure/reboot means IDS is down! What if this change is replicated to an HDR secondary server then both parts of the pair are vunerable to a reboot and failing to start! A ticking bomb! NO! NO! NO! NO!..NO RAID5!...I MEAN NO! NO! NO TO THIS! Can someone raise a feature request..if no buffers parameter is defined call the routine to dynamically add one..the routine already exists, I've used it! Need sleeeeep now...laters... David.

Yes really. Name one thing Solaris has that is so important that you have to have Solaris and can't do what you want with Linux or perhaps AIX. If you need a real-time UNIX, there may be something out there for the niche market, but Sun really has little to offer that is significant enough to buy their stuff instead of open system offerings. Sun has trouble in other areas besides their totally irrelevant OS, they are way behind the curve on their processors, which pale in comparison to the new Power series from IBM. Sun also swore they wouldn't do so many things--and now they are now doing, and even sucking up to Microsoft just to try to get some market relevance. Even Java is up for grabs as the open source community is even going after Java in an open source version. Sun is done. And HP, they really need to just give up on computers and stick to printers. Carly should have gone out on top, but er, well, anyway that's fodder for the clown... Paul Watson wrote: > Really :-) > > Data Goob wrote: > >> Solaris is ceasing to be relevant. >> >> Soon it will be in the same boat as SCO, as well as HP/UX. >> >> Paul Watson wrote: >> >>> No Solaris though, bit of a bummer >>> >>> Neil Truby wrote: >>> >>>> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >>>> news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... >>>> >>>>> So........... >>>>> >>>>> There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >>>>> >>>>> Very Interesting... >>>>> >>>>> What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get >>>>> Sybase ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >>>>> >>>>> Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was just >>>>> that... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under >>>> "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After >>>> you've jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for >>>> IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

In my experience Linux doesn't run on 28 CPU boxes, in fact I had enough problems with an 8-way but in fairness to the Linux vendor they did their damnedest to get it to work, going as far as producing a unique micro-kernel for me. Data Goob wrote: > Yes really. > > Name one thing Solaris has that is so important that you have to have > Solaris and can't do what you want with Linux or perhaps AIX. If you > need a real-time UNIX, there may be something out there for the niche > market, but Sun really has little to offer that is significant enough > to buy their stuff instead of open system offerings. > > Sun has trouble in other areas besides their totally irrelevant OS, they > are way behind the curve on their processors, which pale in comparison to > the new Power series from IBM. Sun also swore they wouldn't do so many > things--and now they are now doing, and even sucking up to Microsoft just > to try to get some market relevance. Even Java is up for grabs as the open > source community is even going after Java in an open source version. Sun > is done. > > And HP, they really need to just give up on computers and stick to > printers. > Carly should have gone out on top, but er, well, anyway that's fodder for > the clown... > > Paul Watson wrote: > >> Really :-) >> >> Data Goob wrote: >> >>> Solaris is ceasing to be relevant. >>> >>> Soon it will be in the same boat as SCO, as well as HP/UX. >>> >>> Paul Watson wrote: >>> >>>> No Solaris though, bit of a bummer >>>> >>>> Neil Truby wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... >>>>> >>>>>> So........... >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >>>>>> >>>>>> Very Interesting... >>>>>> >>>>>> What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get >>>>>> Sybase ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >>>>>> >>>>>> Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was >>>>>> just that... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under >>>>> "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After >>>>> you've jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for >>>>> IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > -- Paul Watson # Oninit Ltd # Growing old is mandatory Tel: +44 1436 672201 # Growing up is optional Fax: +44 1436 678693 # Mob: +44 7818 003457 # www.oninit.com #

Clustering offsets the need for 28-CPUs for most customers, and allows commodity hardware choices instead of proprietary solutions--including IBM. The market that actually needs 28-CPUs are now returning to the mainframe. And our friends at IBM are loving it. x86 gets very pricey when you go beyond a 4-CPU machine. But consider the AMD Opteron and you can get very fast for very cheap if you cluster. Even Dell is headed for AMD, and who knows may get Power before too long. Apple is doing pretty nice with the Power chip, it screams compared to an x86 system. IBM even offers the Opteron at a very affordable price, and clustering with it can be very cost effective. The new Power series from IBM has put them in the lead again with micro partitioning the Power5 into a mini-mainframe for about the same price as a conventional 4-CPU x86 box--a big market. Sun can't even come close in performance per CPU. They have had to practically give away everything just to keep themselves in the game. It's also important to consider that because of the rapid pace of change in the computer hardware market not to box yourself in by buying or leasing something that may end up being a boat anchor in six months to a year. Better to buy cheap, commodity hardware, and get the OS for next to nothing, and then if possible get the apps the same way, paying mostly for the professional services. Sun knows IBM is heading this direction and doesn't really have much to offer compared to IBM's Power chip. IBM is probably 5 years ahead of Sun or HP on hardware now. IBM is back in the driver's seat not only on hardware but also on the OS and software. Paul Watson wrote: > In my experience Linux doesn't run on 28 CPU boxes, in fact I had enough > problems with an 8-way but in fairness to the Linux vendor they did > their damnedest to get it to work, going as far as producing a unique > micro-kernel for me. > > > Data Goob wrote: > >> Yes really. >> >> Name one thing Solaris has that is so important that you have to have >> Solaris and can't do what you want with Linux or perhaps AIX. If you >> need a real-time UNIX, there may be something out there for the niche >> market, but Sun really has little to offer that is significant enough >> to buy their stuff instead of open system offerings. >> >> Sun has trouble in other areas besides their totally irrelevant OS, they >> are way behind the curve on their processors, which pale in comparison to >> the new Power series from IBM. Sun also swore they wouldn't do so many >> things--and now they are now doing, and even sucking up to Microsoft just >> to try to get some market relevance. Even Java is up for grabs as the >> open >> source community is even going after Java in an open source version. Sun >> is done. >> >> And HP, they really need to just give up on computers and stick to >> printers. >> Carly should have gone out on top, but er, well, anyway that's fodder for >> the clown... >> >> Paul Watson wrote: >> >>> Really :-) >>> >>> Data Goob wrote: >>> >>>> Solaris is ceasing to be relevant. >>>> >>>> Soon it will be in the same boat as SCO, as well as HP/UX. >>>> >>>> Paul Watson wrote: >>>> >>>>> No Solaris though, bit of a bummer >>>>> >>>>> Neil Truby wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>> So........... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very Interesting... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get >>>>>>> Sybase ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was >>>>>>> just that... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under >>>>>> "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After >>>>>> you've jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for >>>>>> IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >

Data Goob wrote: > Clustering offsets the need for 28-CPUs for most customers, and allows > commodity hardware choices instead of proprietary solutions--including > IBM. The market that actually needs 28-CPUs are now returning > to the mainframe. My customers aren't - Informix doesn't run on a mainframe, they are buying large CPU servers > And our friends at IBM are loving it. x86 gets very > pricey when you go beyond a 4-CPU machine. But consider the AMD Opteron > and you can get very fast for very cheap if you cluster. Even Dell is > headed for AMD, and who knows may get Power before too long. Apple > is doing pretty nice with the Power chip, it screams compared to an x86 > system. IBM even offers the Opteron at a very affordable price, and > clustering with it can be very cost effective. > > The new Power series from IBM has put them in the lead again with micro > partitioning the Power5 into a mini-mainframe for about the same price as > a conventional 4-CPU x86 box--a big market. Sun can't even come close in > performance per CPU. They have had to practically give away everything > just to keep themselves in the game. > > It's also important to consider that because of the rapid pace of change > in the computer hardware market not to box yourself in by buying or leasing > something that may end up being a boat anchor in six months to a year. > > Better to buy cheap, commodity hardware, and get the OS for next to > nothing, > and then if possible get the apps the same way, paying mostly for the > professional services. Sun knows IBM is heading this direction and doesn't > really have much to offer compared to IBM's Power chip. IBM is probably 5 > years ahead of Sun or HP on hardware now. IBM is back in the driver's seat > not only on hardware but also on the OS and software. > > > > > Paul Watson wrote: > >> In my experience Linux doesn't run on 28 CPU boxes, in fact I had >> enough problems with an 8-way but in fairness to the Linux vendor they >> did their damnedest to get it to work, going as far as producing a >> unique micro-kernel for me. >> >> >> Data Goob wrote: >> >>> Yes really. >>> >>> Name one thing Solaris has that is so important that you have to have >>> Solaris and can't do what you want with Linux or perhaps AIX. If you >>> need a real-time UNIX, there may be something out there for the niche >>> market, but Sun really has little to offer that is significant enough >>> to buy their stuff instead of open system offerings. >>> >>> Sun has trouble in other areas besides their totally irrelevant OS, they >>> are way behind the curve on their processors, which pale in >>> comparison to >>> the new Power series from IBM. Sun also swore they wouldn't do so many >>> things--and now they are now doing, and even sucking up to Microsoft >>> just >>> to try to get some market relevance. Even Java is up for grabs as >>> the open >>> source community is even going after Java in an open source version. >>> Sun >>> is done. >>> >>> And HP, they really need to just give up on computers and stick to >>> printers. >>> Carly should have gone out on top, but er, well, anyway that's fodder >>> for >>> the clown... >>> >>> Paul Watson wrote: >>> >>>> Really :-) >>>> >>>> Data Goob wrote: >>>> >>>>> Solaris is ceasing to be relevant. >>>>> >>>>> Soon it will be in the same boat as SCO, as well as HP/UX. >>>>> >>>>> Paul Watson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No Solaris though, bit of a bummer >>>>>> >>>>>> Neil Truby wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:hsqUd.231$Sw2.154@text.usenetserver.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So........... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's no download for IDS 10 unless you use PassPort Advantage? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Very Interesting... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What happened to pushing things out to developers? I can get >>>>>>>> Sybase ASE 12.5 or DB2, where's Informix? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guess all that bs about Informix living on and being great was >>>>>>>> just that... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you visit www.informix.com , on the right-hand side, under >>>>>>> "Highlights", there's a link to a trial download of IDS. After >>>>>>> you've jumped through the hoops there are downloads available for >>>>>>> IDS v10 on Linux, Windows and AIX. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > -- Paul Watson # Oninit Ltd # Growing old is mandatory Tel: +44 1436 672201 # Growing up is optional Fax: +44 1436 678693 # Mob: +44 7818 003457 # www.oninit.com #

Paul Watson wrote: > Data Goob wrote: > >> Clustering offsets the need for 28-CPUs for most customers, and allows >> commodity hardware choices instead of proprietary solutions--including >> IBM. The market that actually needs 28-CPUs are now returning >> to the mainframe. > > > My customers aren't - Informix doesn't run on a mainframe, they are > buying large CPU servers I set corrected, apparently it does Next I'll be told you can rename a database! [cutting] -- Paul Watson # Oninit Ltd # Growing old is mandatory Tel: +44 1436 672201 # Growing up is optional Fax: +44 1436 678693 # Mob: +44 7818 003457 # www.oninit.com #

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:59:13 -0500, Data Goob <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote: >Well, they wen to the trouble to make an announcement, and I see the tinyurl >for other things--which by the way takes more effort than just pasting the >full url--so pasting the url to the download was not a big deal. > >Neil Truby wrote: >> "Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >> news:8JtUd.236$Sw2.138@text.usenetserver.com... >> >> >>>Curious that the infamous IIUG didn't provide the link in the IFMX-10 >>>announcement. >> >> >> Well "The IIUG", by which I take you mean the Directors, are volunteers, and >> can't cover everything. Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to get off your >> arse and find things out for yourself instead of waiting to be spoon-fed. >> >> export CYNIC_MODE=ON C'mon, Neil . . you mean you didn't download and register it, burn it to CD, and hand-deliver it to the Goob? My, what an insensitive, uncaring person . . . unset CYNIC_MODE Guess one can't please everyone . . . poor Goob. Only took me five minutes to find the right area to begin my download . . . . 8-) JWC

John, I appreciate your cynicism! 8o) But, uhm, have you really been to the IBM web site lately? There are so many confusing pages the site is a nightmare--and I don't think I'm the only one who shuts down when thinking about where to look for something on that website. It's too confusing, so a direct link where to look for something is invaluable. Not to mention how tinyurl came about simply because of sites with links that are impossible to remember or type into a browser. You should join in with the rest of us who have to use IBM's web site on a daily basis for TSM or AIX--or DB2 for that matter, trying to figure out what patches to apply or get straight answers on software and what it works on. Then imagine the site slowing down to a crawl trying to get a file with FTP, or docs that are listed but you can only download one at a time because they decided to pop-up all the PDFs into the same window. So, to assume that I could actually find the Informix download in less than 5 minutes is the exception rather than the rule when it comes to the mess of shit that comprises the IBM website. John Carlson wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:59:13 -0500, Data Goob <datagoob@netscape.net> > wrote: > > >>Well, they wen to the trouble to make an announcement, and I see the tinyurl >>for other things--which by the way takes more effort than just pasting the >>full url--so pasting the url to the download was not a big deal. >> >>Neil Truby wrote: >> >>>"Data Goob" <datagoob@netscape.net> wrote in message >>>news:8JtUd.236$Sw2.138@text.usenetserver.com... >>> >>> >>> >>>>Curious that the infamous IIUG didn't provide the link in the IFMX-10 >>>>announcement. >>> >>> >>>Well "The IIUG", by which I take you mean the Directors, are volunteers, and >>>can't cover everything. Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to get off your >>>arse and find things out for yourself instead of waiting to be spoon-fed. >>> >>> > > > export CYNIC_MODE=ON > > C'mon, Neil . . you mean you didn't download and register it, burn it > to CD, and hand-deliver it to the Goob? My, what an insensitive, > uncaring person . . . > > unset CYNIC_MODE > > Guess one can't please everyone . . . poor Goob. Only took me five > minutes to find the right area to begin my download . . . . 8-) > > JWC >

BZZZT! Data Goob, your slip is showing. ;-) I had to cut your entire dribble because there was nothing of relevence. Seems you have yet again bought in to the marketing droids spin on reality. Remember that myth of "the database wars are over"... They weren't and aren't. ;-) Larry and Bill told you that cause they couldn't keep up with the advancements. Sun has made some mistakes, however they are correctable. Sun has a long history of thinking outside of the box, and that is why they have been successful. Its when they think within the box, that they get nailed. Sun for example remaining a hardware vendor. That decision is what hurt them in the long run. Are they dead? No. Not by a long shot. Can they be resurected ? Sure. But it will take a lot of hard work and some creative thinking. Just a real quick gaff made by sun. HP created SAM. IBM had SMIT. What did Sun have? HP has Openview. IBM has Tivoli. What does Sun Have? But hey, what do I know? ;-) Other than it took Informix 7 years to figure out that data encryption was one of the next steps in database development. ;-) But getting back to Sun... the next wave of developments is in multi-core processors. There's going to have to be some tweaks to OSs to really take advantage of it. Along with cells. IBM has the lead, however there are areas where SUN has the capability of knocking out some good kit. Of course you mention Linux. Linux from an OS perspective is a kludge and a fat pig. If Sun were to "get smart". They may want to try and develop a different opensource kernel. One that is much more efficient. The point I am trying to make, or in this case beat in to your thick skull is that as long as Sun stays concervative, they will die, however there are still options and things Sun can do to compete and become a top tier player. - ;-)

"Neil Truby" <neil.truby@ardenta.com> wrote in message news:38g4eeF5lpie0U1@individual.net... > "Paul Watson" <paul@oninit.com> wrote in message > news:cvuiug$dnn$1@thorium.cix.co.uk... >> No Solaris though, bit of a bummer > > No, a bit odd that. The same applies for 9.40 UC5. But HP-UX, SOlaris > etc ports exist for both products on PA. Maybe there is is a deliberate > policy to restrict the OSs for which IDS trials are available. But it's > difficult to think why: trial versions of DB2 UDB EE for example are > available on all these platforms. > > I'll see if I can find out why, or maybe someone like scottishpoet will > know. One of the WorldWide people responsible for Informix has kindly answered the question thus: A decision was made at some point to only make these versions available as trial code. At this point, it would take considerable time and effort to make all versions available as actual trial code ... [we] are working to get this resolved via making all platforms of IDS v10.0 available for download from the IIUG website for trial and evaluation. We hope to have the issue resolved shortly ....