Re: Dynamic Web Page

"David L. Kosenko" <davek@informix.com> wrote: :Mike Segel wrote: :> You don't. Your client is running a java applet. if you change URLs, :> your java applet will recognize this, and send an unsubscribe message, :> and close the ip port connection. The applet then dies. :> As well, there is no *nature* of the web. The *web* is nothing more :> than a nexus of decentralized multimedia data sources. :Perhaps "the nature of the web as it is currently used" would be more :appropriate. Yes. But it is also used, or at least usable, to push data out. :> The problem is that you are thinking in past/present terms rather than :> present/future terms. :And your problem is that you are assuming the entire industry is on the :bleeding edge of Web technology. Hardly a problem for the question at hand. : Fact is, most places are 2-3 years :behind :the most current tech. Java isn't even available for better than half :the :platforms our customers are on. But may be it will shortly. And also we shouldn't count platforms, but individual installations, in which case the availability of Java on the server side may be much higher. Some might require an os upgrade but that should be counted at the second level as reasonably easy to make available. However the key issue here for the original question is: Yes you need Java support on the server side, so if you don't have a hardware and software platform with this now, you may need to buy something new or upgrade. There will also be a Java datablade available for the Informix Universal Server. This was, at the user conference, said to become available even in the beta program in the September timeframe this year. That may also be usefull to look into. : An a whole lot of folks are using :browsers :that do not support Java applets. Is it 80% now that use Netscape browsers? Java applets aren't supported until version 2.something and not on all os's, particularly not on Windows 3.1. JavaScript has a vider support, and may perhaps also be usefull. May be this is wide enough support for the original questioneer? He should also be aware of this issue and include a button for downloading of some Java enabled browser on his web page. Those with Windows 3.1 are again out of luck. May be they should consider an upgrade? : So please don't speak in absolutes - :there's :a lot of grey in the industry. Let's try to color it. (Or is it make it all white - whatever we should allways try harder.) :> I'm sorry I seem flippant, or short sometimes. This entire issue can :> be done, and has been done. Read the ACM journals. I forget who :> wrote TIB but it was published in a January issue of one of the :> ACM journals. ('92, '93, '94 Operating Systems I think) :Same argument could have been made 10 years ago about relational :databases. Stuff we now take for granted was undoable back then. But :that was where the industry was, and those of us who have to work in :environments that are a bit behind the times have to deal with it. Of course, but the main issue here is to make it as clear as possible exactly what can be done, what requirements there are for this to be done, how well these requirements are fullfilled right now, what has to be done to fullfill them better, and what the chances are that this will happen and when. These issues wheren't well answered by saying that it couldn't be done. :> Dave K. is one of the really, really smart guys at Informix. :Watch it - you're slobbering on my butt, there son. I'm no :smarter than the average bear. I'm a bit too old to know everything :any more. Be carefull. It might be equally dangerous to be smarter than you think yourself. Nils.Myklebust@ccmail.telemax.no NM Data AS, P.O.Box 9090 Gronland, N-0133 Oslo, Norway My opinions are those of my company