Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape

I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance.

ZHAN YU LIN wrote: > I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from > HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of > IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. > > I afraid it could not migrate using ontape, cause different platform , CMIIW I think u should migrate by using dbexport and dbimport -- http://veryeasytutorial.blogspot.com

ZHAN YU LIN wrote: Call IBM Tech support to double check, but when this question was last asked here an IBMer stated that HPUX/PA-RISC and HPUX/Itanium was the only fully interoperational platforms that Informix supports and that such a port was possible. Art S. Kagel Oninit > I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from > HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of > IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > http://www.iiug.org/conf > Registration Now Open!! > > ================================================================================ =========== > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: > > http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php > > ================================================================================ =========== > > > ================================================================================ =========== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php ================================================================================ ===========

Take a look at the 11.10 IDS Machine Notes - IDS 11.10.FC1, HEWLETT PAC= KARD HP-UX Itanium 2 http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/idshelp/v111/topic/com.ibm.rel= notes.doc/ids_1110xc1/ids_machnotes.html?resultof=3D%22%48%50%2d%55%58%= 22%20#hpuxia2 It does mention that migration of IDS from HP-UX on a PA-RISC to HP-UX Itanium is supported, and given step-by-step migration process too. HTH, Nilesh. ids-bounces@iiug.org wrote on 03/12/2008 08:53:08 AM: > ZHAN YU LIN wrote: > > Call IBM Tech support to double check, but when this question was las= t > asked here an IBMer stated that HPUX/PA-RISC and HPUX/Itanium was the= > only fully interoperational platforms that Informix supports and that= > such a port was possible. > > Art S. Kagel > Oninit > > > I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from > > HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical vers= ion of > > IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > ***********************************************************************= ******** > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.= > > > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > > http://www.iiug.org/conf > > Registration Now Open!! > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: > > > > http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: > > http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > ***********************************************************************= ******** > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum.= > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > http://www.iiug.org/conf > Registration Now Open!!=

Last time I asked that question I was told that it couldn't be done on HP-UX. I found my PMR (PMR 74170,500) and this is the response that I recieved. "The problem is that in numeric data Itanium (and in all Intel chips) stores the numbers in a format called Big Endian. What this means is that the MOST significant digit is stored LAST. So, if you had a hex value like so: 0x00000007 In Big-Endian that number would ACTUALLY be stored like so 0x07000000." I persisted a little and received this as a follow-up response. "The Itanium based HP is a different architecture than the RISC based HP. They are not compatible. You will not be able to move data from one to the other without some sort of conversion. From Informix's standpoint the only way to move from one OS (or version IDS) to another is to use the dbexport/dbimport utilities. If there is some way to convert between Itanium and RISC on the OS level, you will have to contact HP for instructions." This conversation took place on 4/20/2007 so it could be possible that IBM's stance has changed or that the person who answered my questions was not 100% informed on any caveats that might exist. DL ----- Original Message ---- From: Art S. Kagel (Oninit) <art@oninit.com> To: ids@iiug.org Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:53:08 AM Subject: Re: Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by o.... [11581] ZHAN YU LIN wrote: Call IBM Tech support to double check, but when this question was last asked here an IBMer stated that HPUX/PA-RISC and HPUX/Itanium was the only fully interoperational platforms that Informix supports and that such a port was possible. Art S. Kagel Oninit > I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from > HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of > IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > http://www.iiug.org/conf > Registration Now Open!! > > ================================================================================ =========== > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: > > http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php > > ================================================================================ =========== > > > ================================================================================ =========== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php ================================================================================ =========== ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference The Power Conference for Informix Professionals April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas http://www.iiug.org/conf Registration Now Open!!

Migration from HP-UX-RISC to HP-UX-Itanium can be done InPlace. We did it and we found, that all you can read in Machine-Notes has to be regarded (machine notes below) You have to be in the same architecture regarding 32bit or 64bit and you have to be on the same informix IDS version to be able to change from Risc to Itanium. If not, then the engine will come up, but you'll get errors within the conversion.log Regards, gerd Here the machine notes: Migrating to this 64-bit Version ================================ 1. In addition to supporting migration from previous IBM IDS version on HP-UX Itanium, this server for the HP-UX Itanium architecture also supports migration of IBM Informix databases from HP-UX on PA-RISC systems. Please refer to the IBM Informix Migration Guide. 2. To migrate IBM Informix databases from HP-UX on a PA-RISC system to this server, the Informix databases on the PA-RISC system should be running on the same release level of IBM IDS 64-bit or 32-bit servers. 3. The IBM IDS server on PA-RISC is running on a lower release level than this IBM IDS server on Itanium, then the IBM IDS server on PA-RISC should be first upgraded to the same IBM IDS release level as this Itanium server on PA-RISC, before it can be migrated to HP-UX Itanium. 4. The IBM IDS servers on PA-RISC should be running on a HP-UX O/S on which the IBM IDS has been certified. The step-by-step migration process ================================== The process of migrating an IBM IDS database from a PA-RISC system to an HP-UX Itanium system is described in the section below. The data can be migrated from the PA-RISC system to HP-UX Itanium system either by moving the disks containing the data from the PA-RISC system to the HP-UX Itanium system, or by copying the data from the disks on the PA-RISC system to the disks on the HP-UX Itanium system. Moving the disks can be achieved by physically re-cabling the disks from the PA-RISC system to the HP-UX Itanium system or, as in the case of a disk array, by re-configuring the LUNs to be visible to the HP-UX Itanium system. Moving the disks to the HP-UX Itanium system will be generally quicker and easier than copying, but copying has the advantage of having a back-up on the PA-RISC system. It is expected that the choice between copy or move be made depending on the customer environment and their requirements. > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: ids@iiug.org > Gesendet: 12.03.08 15:26:29 > An: ids@iiug.org > Betreff: Re: Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by o.... [11583] > > Last time I asked that question I was told that it couldn't be done on HP-UX. > I found my PMR (PMR 74170,500) and this is the response that I recieved. > > "The problem is that in numeric data Itanium (and in all Intel chips) stores > the numbers in a format called Big Endian. What this means is that the MOST > significant digit is stored LAST. So, if you had a hex value like so: > 0x00000007 In Big-Endian that number would ACTUALLY be stored like so > 0x07000000." > > I persisted a little and received this as a follow-up response. > > "The Itanium based HP is a different architecture than the RISC based HP. They > are not compatible. You will not be able to move data from one to the other > without some sort of conversion. From Informix's standpoint the only way to > move from one OS (or version IDS) to another is to use the dbexport/dbimport > utilities. If there is some way to convert between Itanium and RISC on the OS > level, you will have to contact HP for instructions." > > This conversation took place on 4/20/2007 so it could be possible that IBM's > stance has changed or that the person who answered my questions was not 100% > informed on any caveats that might exist. > > DL > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Art S. Kagel (Oninit) <art@oninit.com> > To: ids@iiug.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:53:08 AM > Subject: Re: Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by o.... [11581] > > ZHAN YU LIN wrote: > > Call IBM Tech support to double check, but when this question was last > asked here an IBMer stated that HPUX/PA-RISC and HPUX/Itanium was the > only fully interoperational platforms that Informix supports and that > such a port was possible. > > Art S. Kagel > Oninit > > > I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from > > HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of > > IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > > http://www.iiug.org/conf > > Registration Now Open!! > > > > > > ================================================================================ =========== > > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: > > > > http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php > > > > > > ================================================================================ =========== > > > > > > > > > ================================================================================ =========== > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: > > http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php > > > ================================================================================ =========== > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > http://www.iiug.org/conf > Registration Now Open!! > > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > http://www.iiug.org/conf > Registration Now Open!! > _____________________________________________________________________ Der WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071&distributionid=000000000066

DL Redden wrote: The person who answered your question was misinformed. The Intel Itanium processor runs in Big-Endian mode specifically to match the binary format of the PA-Risc platform and ease migration for its customers. It was designed by HP with Intel for that purpose. Art S. Kagel > Last time I asked that question I was told that it couldn't be done on HP-UX. > I found my PMR (PMR 74170,500) and this is the response that I recieved. > > "The problem is that in numeric data Itanium (and in all Intel chips) stores > the numbers in a format called Big Endian. What this means is that the MOST > significant digit is stored LAST. So, if you had a hex value like so: > 0x00000007 In Big-Endian that number would ACTUALLY be stored like so > 0x07000000." > > I persisted a little and received this as a follow-up response. > > "The Itanium based HP is a different architecture than the RISC based HP. They > are not compatible. You will not be able to move data from one to the other > without some sort of conversion. From Informix's standpoint the only way to > move from one OS (or version IDS) to another is to use the dbexport/dbimport > utilities. If there is some way to convert between Itanium and RISC on the OS > level, you will have to contact HP for instructions." > > This conversation took place on 4/20/2007 so it could be possible that IBM's > stance has changed or that the person who answered my questions was not 100% > informed on any caveats that might exist. > > DL > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Art S. Kagel (Oninit) <art@oninit.com> > To: ids@iiug.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:53:08 AM > Subject: Re: Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by o.... [11581] > > ZHAN YU LIN wrote: > > Call IBM Tech support to double check, but when this question was last > asked here an IBMer stated that HPUX/PA-RISC and HPUX/Itanium was the > only fully interoperational platforms that Informix supports and that > such a port was possible. > > Art S. Kagel > Oninit > > >> I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from >> HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of >> IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. >> >> >> > ================================================================================ =========== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php ================================================================================ ===========

It's highly unfortunate that the personnel at IBM is giving out false information. If you can't trust a response from support then what good are they. This response prevented us from moving to the Itanium platform, had the response been accurate then we would most likely be on Itanium today. ----- Original Message ---- From: Art S. Kagel (Oninit) <art@oninit.com> To: ids@iiug.org Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:01:17 AM Subject: Re: Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by o.... [11585] DL Redden wrote: The person who answered your question was misinformed. The Intel Itanium processor runs in Big-Endian mode specifically to match the binary format of the PA-Risc platform and ease migration for its customers. It was designed by HP with Intel for that purpose. Art S. Kagel > Last time I asked that question I was told that it couldn't be done on HP-UX. > I found my PMR (PMR 74170,500) and this is the response that I recieved. > > "The problem is that in numeric data Itanium (and in all Intel chips) stores > the numbers in a format called Big Endian. What this means is that the MOST > significant digit is stored LAST. So, if you had a hex value like so: > 0x00000007 In Big-Endian that number would ACTUALLY be stored like so > 0x07000000." > > I persisted a little and received this as a follow-up response. > > "The Itanium based HP is a different architecture than the RISC based HP. They > are not compatible. You will not be able to move data from one to the other > without some sort of conversion. From Informix's standpoint the only way to > move from one OS (or version IDS) to another is to use the dbexport/dbimport > utilities. If there is some way to convert between Itanium and RISC on the OS > level, you will have to contact HP for instructions." > > This conversation took place on 4/20/2007 so it could be possible that IBM's > stance has changed or that the person who answered my questions was not 100% > informed on any caveats that might exist. > > DL > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Art S. Kagel (Oninit) <art@oninit.com> > To: ids@iiug.org > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:53:08 AM > Subject: Re: Migrate from HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by o.... [11581] > > ZHAN YU LIN wrote: > > Call IBM Tech support to double check, but when this question was last > asked here an IBMer stated that HPUX/PA-RISC and HPUX/Itanium was the > only fully interoperational platforms that Informix supports and that > such a port was possible. > > Art S. Kagel > Oninit > > >> I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from >> HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of >> IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. >> >> >> > ================================================================================ =========== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.oninit.com/home/disclaimer.php ================================================================================ =========== ******************************************************************************* Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference The Power Conference for Informix Professionals April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas http://www.iiug.org/conf Registration Now Open!!

Hi, On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 00:02 -0400, ZHAN YU LIN wrote: > I want to know if I can do a migration database'data from > HP PA-RISC to HP ITANIUM by ontape directly?With the identical version of > IDS on these two different platform. Thanks in advance. > One year ago I had the same problem. If you have identical version IDS and 64bit PA-RISC migration is OK Currently I have HP-UX MC/SG and one machine HP-UX 11.23 PA-RISC 64 bit and HP-UX 11.23 IA connected to SAN XP array and the same version IDS , cluster works OK > > ******************************************************************************* > Forum Note: Use "Reply" to post a response in the discussion forum. > > See you at the IIUG Informix 2008 Conference > The Power Conference for Informix Professionals > April 27 - 30, 2008 Marriott Overland Park (Kansas City), Kansas > http://www.iiug.org/conf > Registration Now Open!! -- wkg